Pinto/Trakehner crosses for sport??

[crosscreeksh]

[QUOTE=florida foxhunter;8015080]
I have been breeding pinto warmbloods for almost 20 years! My foundation stallion, Claim to Fame is 3/4 TB, but registered Oldenburg. He STILL holds the record of being the ONLY Tobiano Pinto Horse to EVER win a blue ribbon in Hunter Breeding at Devon. He had to be extra typey to win that. He then went on to compete successfully in the professional hunter divisions, then with me, his 50+adult amateur. I collect him myself and he’s had many nice foals here and all over the country. They were recently featured in Sidelines Magazine’s stallion issue.

I also have his homozygous 16.2h black pinto son, who is also here and very sweet. His foals were also featured. His three year son from a TB dam was recently sold and is moving to PA near Devon…with hopes of being in the youngsters class this spring.

I applaud those who want to add color to quality…Of course, you can never control where the color lies. Optical illusions occur often in pintos. I also have hunted quite a few I’ve bred, and I’m amazed how many pintos I saw out hunting all over the country…[/QUOTE]

Florida Foxhunter you have a PM.

[pinecone]

[QUOTE=arlosmine;8014251]
Isn’t there a (proven) pinto stud available who is closer to the type of mare you already have?[/QUOTE]

:yes:

You can breed your pinto mares to Sempatico for $2000 (less for the non-pintos.) You could have bought State of the Art at auction last week for what, $5000? This stallion’s stud fee is only $750 and he’s homozygous pinto. http://www.superiorsporthorse.com/#!salomon-sf/c1k8h He hasn’t done anything but he’s got a good pedigree and he’ll guarantee color, which seems to be your priority.

We get it - you’re into color. But why add Paint to your breeding program, first of all. And secondly I can’t imagine being able to buy a breeding-worthy pinto stallion for less than the cost of some stud fees.

[crosscreeksh]

[QUOTE=pinecone;8015721]
:yes:

You can breed your pinto mares to Sempatico for $2000 (less for the non-pintos.) You could have bought State of the Art at auction last week for what, $5000? This stallion’s stud fee is only $750 and he’s homozygous pinto. http://www.superiorsporthorse.com/#!salomon-sf/c1k8h He hasn’t done anything but he’s got a good pedigree and he’ll guarantee color, which seems to be your priority.

We get it - you’re into color. But why add Paint to your breeding program, first of all. And secondly I can’t imagine being able to buy a breeding-worthy pinto stallion for less than the cost of some stud fees.[/QUOTE]

I did speak to the owner of SOTA…but her asking price was a whole lot higher than he sold for and he is 23 years old… and a long way away in Canada!! I have no experience in shipped semen…don’t have a good repro vet in this area, own our own 80 acres and grow our own hay…it costs less to keep a stallion for a year than it would to pay fees/shipping for three mares every year!!! Good point on not adding more “paint”. I’ve also come across some very nice older (younger than SOTA) stallions looking for new homes to “retire” to.

[NoDQhere]

SOTA’s dam was an APHA mare. Half TB, Half Paint. I believe he sired some pretty decent horses?

[crosscreeksh]

[QUOTE=NoDQhere;8016091]
SOTA’s dam was an APHA mare. Half TB, Half Paint. I believe he sired some pretty decent horses?[/QUOTE]

As I’ve said…I have no problem with the “right” paints. Our tobiano stallion, Charley’s Tru Image was 16.2 and looked like a WB, moved great and sired some outstanding foals for us. One of our broodmares 1/2 paint looks like she should be standing on the line in a hunter class. …And I’ve seen some really nice SOTA offspring, but investing in a 23 year old stallion is not a wise move IMO unless you can breed a “bunch” of mares before he ages out. Another reason to buy a horse/prospect I can see with my own eyes…not all siblings and 1/2 siblings are created equal. I’m keeping an open mind for any breed or combination that appeals to me for our program. I just wanted some enlightment about the Trakehner influence. And our foaling dates are getting closer…my “prospect” might be right here on our farm!!