Pitbull attack

My neighbor adopted a pit, right after it arrived it lunged unprovoked while on the leash and bit my husband. They have 2 other very well trained and well behaved dogs, but the pit is a time bomb. They are careful of him,but if we are working in the yard and he is out in their side yard, there is real concern that he will come over his fence as he barks and lunges.

DH was a police dog handler working both patrol and drug detector dogs (who lived with us) and he is also not a fan of the pit. There are some dogs that just shouldn’t live in society be they poodle, mutt or whatever. This particular one has too much aggression and too much force to back it up. I have met some nice pits, he is not one of them.

The neighbors house is for sale, I will miss them - but not that damm pit.

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This statistic is from: https://www.dogsbite.org/reports/14-year-dog-bite-fatality-chart-trends-in-3-periods-2005-2018.pdf

Here’s an article about dog ownership by breed. It’s based on classified ads, so I’m not sure of it’s accuracy but here you go: https://www.animals24-7.org/2016/07/29/2016-survey-list-of-top-5-u-s-dog-breed-types-ousts-pit-bulls/

If you do the math


311 pit bull fatalities in 14 years = 22 fatalities per year (roughly)

22 fatalities out of 38,638 = 5.69[SUP]e-4[/SUP]%

If only 0.000057% of these dogs cause fatalities, you can’t say that ALL pitbulls are bad. You can’t even say that MOST are bad, and don’t assume mine is.

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Imo it’s not the dogs or breed, it’s sadly who is attracted to them;
either people who want a tough looking dog who then don’t socialize, train, and take care to make the dog the best example of the breed, 


or the opposite bleeding heart who thinks they’re just misunderstood and can be fixed and made a solid citizen with love alone (gag)


Both of those do a real disservice to these dogs, when they should, at least the latter, be doing the heavy lifting to counter the bad examples.

agree with Marshfield’s observation.

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Pit bulls seem to attract irresponsible owners in the lowest socioeconomic class of society. I work in a low-income school district and I can’t even count how many students I have that have showed me pictures of their dog and it’s a pit bull. They LOVE their dog. I ask if she/he is fixed and the results are a mix of “we can’t afford it, it’s too expensive, or we’re going to breed her.” About half breed their pit bull on purpose to sell the puppies and about half just don’t want/can’t afford to pay for the surgery. I pass out information to the local shelter that will spay and neuter pit bulls FOR FREE regularly.

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Sure. Because dogs killing humans is rare. As it should be. But it does happen. And when it does happen, the vast majority of the time the offender is bulldog/mastiff/terrier mix. Because you add the tenacity of a terrier to mastiff crossed with bulldog and you have created a dog capable of, and sometimes inclined to cause serious bodily harm and death.

A small terrier is enough of a terror. A big, powerful terrier that’s perfectly capable of overpowering an adult human was, in my opinion, a really stupid mistake. But then, they served a purpose, terrorizing and recapturing runaway slaves. Sometimes tearing them apart as a warning to others was an ok outcome those days as well. Handlers in those days sure didn’t consider that animal a “mistake”.

I think that’s the biggest issue with the kind of people attracted to pitbull ownership–they are almost never terrier people, do not understand terriers, and usually have no experience with terriers.

Too often it’s presumed that unsavory type of people own pitbulls. I say not true. Not anymore then those types own other kinds of cheap, easily obtainable types of dogs. No, rather, I truly believe the disconnect is in understanding and truly appreciating all the breed types that have gone into their breed/type of choice. Pitbull people have a potentially loaded weapon of a dog on their hands and way way too often they’ve been sold a bill of goods on it–it’s a giant lap dog, a nanny dog, a giant slobbery ball of kisses dog, wouldn’t hurt a fly, the gentle Pibble, aw. Wildly inaccurate and naive. Can you imagine someone insinuating that about their JRT?? Laughable. Yet the wold is full of all sorts of outside examples of what they should expect from their Pibble. Dress it up in baby clothes. Have it hold a binkie for the pic. Rest newborn baby against it’s side as it reclines–nanny dog, see? Take it to the dog park, let it play with all sorts of other strange and semi-stranger dogs, see, pittie loves everyone! Sometimes they do. Sometimes what we see as “loves everyone” is wild tenacity with zero structure or discipline.

Honestly, with as much stupid as they suffer from this now decade long fake news PR campaign, it’s a testament to the breed type, in a way, that more people aren’t killed or maimed by this stupid lack of respect for such a powerful dog that can harbor so much incredible drive.

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^^^ this ^^^

I have a friend who adopted one, then acquired several cats
 and is often unable to afford pet food so get cheapest, donated.

The person who adopted the dog to him, who also sees the dog only goes out to potty and goes right back inside (no long walks, no training, no run at the empty dogpark off leash) makes me even more furious at the irresponsibility.

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The AKC describes the terrier as ‘feisty and energetic’ and that they can be stubborn but they can also make great pets. The terrier group includes 31 different breeds of terriers. Terriers originated in the United Kingdom where they were used to hunt and kill vermin as well as guard their family’s home and barn. No clue where hunting down runaway slaves and killing them came from (first time I’ve seen this notion).

The largest terrier, the Airedale, weighs in at 50-70 lbs so I’m confused what terriers you’re referring to that are 75+ lbs. The Bull Terrier also weighs in at 50-70lbs.

If you have issues with a specific breed of terrier, call that breed out rather than casting, IMO, aspersions that all terriers are mean, nasty dogs. My dogs take personal offense to that


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She wasn’t saying all terriers and was speaking to one type of terrier, the one that is the topic of the thread, I believe.

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If the concern is a “pit bull” terrier then say so rather than casting a generalized net over 'terrier". If some easy research is done, it’s not even clear what breed a “pit bull” terrier is


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She didn’t cast a generalized net over terriers as a whole.

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Read the whole thread chastising Chelsea.

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:applause:.

ETA: I’m on a Beagle Facebook page. The number of new owners who struggle with all facets of the Beagle breed that are well known, and everyone who is a Beagle lover warns new people about until we are blue in the face, is maddening.

The best stewards and promoters of any breed, type, etc
 are those who are beyond brutally honest about them.
Sugar coating, like I see wrt too many breeds and types, does not help the dogs. And this should be about the dogs.

Deciding to get a dog of a breed or type that is clearly not suited to your ability, needs, wants
 is selfish, putting you before the dog by potentially making a square peg fit a round hole.

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And the same can be said for ‘doodle’ breeds. Blech. Hypo allergenic psychos. Not vicious like pitts, but ill bred and under exercised crazy dogs. But at least they’re cuuuuuuuute. Yuck.

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100%. Recently my Brother and Sis-in-Law lost a dog (Vizsla) and wanted to get a new dog to because their Husky was depressed. So they decided on a Husky/Irish Wolfhound mix. The thing is those are two dominant breeds mixed to make one big dominant dog, being brought into a home with another dominant breed dog and 2 kids. I spoke some misgivings but they went through with it, and sure enough when the new dog came home it only took a few hours for the Stuff to hit the fan. Sadly the new dog went back to the local pound but it was better for everyone, and luckily no one (2 or 4 legged) was actually hurt. Since then they found a Golden mix pup to add to the family, which will come with its own challenges but generally Golden’s are more tolerant of such things.

Also so to add to my previous comment is that so many don’t realized that it takes lifetime training, not just a 6 week course. Said Pit Mutt above will actually be going back to “school” some time in the new year, as she needs some more work from where here basic course got her. She’s pretty well socialized since we got her, but developed a “stranger danger” in the last few months that needs dealt with. And a stronger “place” command. Luckily she is highly food motivated so I think we can move forward quickly.

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@seeuatx: good, honest post(s) Yes, low end breeding is surely part of the pit problem. Also so is what happens (or doesn’t) to these dogs when weaned. And as I noted in an earlier post, our local county shelter is filled with dogs of the pit looking type and its shocking how many of them have been turned in/brought back 2 or more times. Thankfully they note this on the dog’s bio hanging on cage. These are adult dogs with obviously unknown breeding and equally unknown treatment, training or neglect.
I’ve done puppy and adult rescues over the years, most have had some german shepherd in them and two have had a healthy, obvious dose of chow. Mixes are for sure a crap shoot and not everyone is good at reading the dog in front of them.

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And not guaranteed to be hypoallergenic, afaik

regarding ‘doodle’ breeds - I read an article that the man who created the labradoodle said it is the biggest mistake he has ever made. I’ve seen quite a few that are nervous, fearful, shy and just plain nuts. Really the most horrible dogs i’ve personally encountered have been standard poodles - they bark rapidly, very aggressive, hyper and crazy. I have two friends who have well behaved ones so the crazy ones I’ve encountered might be a combination of bad genes and an owner that brings out the worst in the breed.

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Not to mention the fact that a number of attacks recorded as “Pit bulls” were not, in fact, “Pit bulls.” People are clueless as to what an American Pit Bull Terrier actually is/looks like, and they call any bully-looking dog a Pit Bull. I’ve seen people pin the label “Pit Bull” to Boxers, large Boston Terriers, Vizslas, and others.

Going on personal experience:

I’ve been attacked by a Black Lab who eventually became so out of control with his aggression he couldn’t be let out of his cage if anyone other than the four people that lived in his house was present.

My sister was attacked by a German Shepherd in highschool, a GSD who was tethered up in its front yard; she walked by on the public sidewalk. Thank God it’s tether did not break, though it was obviously too long, and it was only able to reach her elbow. It was euthanized due to the incident (we learned after that there had been many previous issues with it and other people in the neighborhood).

My other sister was attacked by a Bichon Frise when we were at a friend’s house just sitting on the couch watching TV.

A GSD/Doberman mix jumped my 6-foot privacy fence into my backyard and attacked my American Pit Bull Terriers. When the GSD/Doberman mix’s owner grabbed him to break them up, it bit him and ripped his hand open. My female defended herself and did no more, as soon as I grabbed her collar she stopped. My male trotted over to me as I came out the back door (I was inside when it started) and laid down.

A Yorkshire Terrier attacked my male APBT. When I was living in an apartment complex, I walked out my door with him on a leash to go potty, and the neighbor across from me opened their door at the exact same time and did not have their POS ankle-biter on a leash. It literally jumped and bit/latched on to my boy’s lip and hung there for a full 10 seconds snarling while my boy walked in circles trying to shake it off and its owner tried to grab it.

But there’s zero point trying to reason with someone who hates one specific breed, or rather, one type that encompasses multiple breeds.

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Oh here we go. The pit bull is akin to a unicorn or yeti in the fact that no one has ever seen a real one, only a lot of confused sightings of bushes, bears, and rock formations. It’s a mythical gentle creature that gives kisses, hugs, and seeks only to defend itself against bloodthirsty Yorkies and rescue it’s master(s) from burning buildings.

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Dog bite fatalities are a people problem not a dog breed problem. So many owners are not good stewards of their pets or are even neglectful and abusive. That is what I see over and over again. If the “pit bull” as a type were such an issue then we would have way more than 22 deaths a year considering the number of “pit bulls” ranges in the millions in the US (estimated 3.6 million)

Those of you saying that all pit bulls should be done away with, just shows how little you know and understand about dogs in general. Hating on a type which includes four different distinct breeds and their mixes is just sad. All dogs deserve to be evaluated as individuals, period. Not just blanket statements that all pit bulls are vicious. That shows how biased you are with no evidence to back your beliefs up.

I would absolutely put my APBT road foundling up against any of your well bred dogs in temperament both with other dogs and people. She is the most balanced dog I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with. She reads other dogs well and is just a lovely example of her breed. I have no idea what lines she is or her background. Found her on the road at 5 months old. She is the type that should be bred, though she was spayed early on. She has needed little formal training because she is just a naturally easy dog to live with.

The Doodles are a whole different thread!

My vicious pit bull https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2376394095732619&set=pb.100000861553573.-2207520000
&type=3&theater

and all her cuteness:) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2033714526667246&set=pb.100000861553573.-2207520000
&type=3&theater

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