Yet another death due to the neglect of owners with horrible dogs. I wish that the rest of the country would have followed the lead of Denver and made these dogs illegal to own. They serve no purpose.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/21/us/houston-dog-attack-trnd/index.html
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there was another pit bull attached human death in a neighboring town near me. Mother was having seizure. dog mauled her to death. police were called and had to taser that dog to get it off her. horrible.
https://turnto10.com/news/local/woman-mauled-to-death-by-family-dog-while-suffering-from-seizure
I hope the owner gets charged with manslaughter.
The daughter thinks the dog was trying to help her motherâŠnot harm her.
Originally posted by HannahsMom7
there was another pit bull attached human death in a neighboring town near me. Mother was having seizure. dog mauled her to death. police were called and had to taser that dog to get it off her. horrible.
https://turnto10.com/news/local/womaâŠg-from-seizure
I would be interested to hear more about how the dog could have been trying to help. I admit I find it implausible.
I imagine the daughter is basing her conclusion, or is it wishful thinking, off of prior history with the dog, which must have been completely benign. But I am guessing (with no knowledge whatsoever of course) that the seizure involved a lot of movement and vocalization, which could have provoked prey instinct in the dog.
Sad story either way, both this one and the one in the thread starter.
My terrier is 25# and super high drive. When my elderly dog was still alive, she suffered from a seizure disorder the last couple years of her life. My terrier was perplexed by her seizures. The two dogs got along like peas n carrots you bet but there was something in terriers response to old dogs seizing that I didnât like. A little too keen, if you know what I mean. And the keen-ness intensified with each seizing episode. I was concerned he might attack her for sure, despite my vetâs insistence that he would âget used toâ her seizing, the opposite sure seemed to be true. Near the end of her life, he sure thought about taking a casual âtest biteâ of her during an episode. Makes for a stressful life on the handlerâs end, let me tell you. She passed before he fully tried on that emotion for size but I could absolutely see a high drive mastiff/bulldog/terrier mix attacking a human having a seizureâeven a human it saw as caregiver and pack member. And it wouldnât end well.
I really wish people were realistic about their terriers. Especially the ones crossed with mastiff/bulldog. I am fully aware of the capability of my 25# crossed with cattle dog version. They are not beginner dogs. They are not cuddly balls of innocent, innocuous fluff and kisses. Owners/handlers of these dogs need to be fully eyes open aware of their capabilities and drive.
When it comes to pitbulls, most are in deep denial.
I believe itâs extremely impossible that the dog was in any way helping and its deep seated trait of high prey drive kicked in.
I also highly doubt that the dog didnât show warning signs of this type of behaviour in the entire 8 years they had it. Those type of traits are so strong that I sincerely doubt that even the best behaved pit bull/type doesnât show Some sort of warning sign or red flag throughout their life.
It is so sad that these type of vicious and deathly dog attacks are still happening.
I had a cat that had a seizure event and the lab was a bit too interested during the seizure. We decided to have the cat euthanized rather than risk her having another one when we werenât around. She had been to the vet a few days before since one of her eyes was fully dilated suddenly and she appeared to be blind in that eye. Vet gave us meds to try but did say one of the possible causes was a tumor pressing on the optic nerve. When she had the seizure that made that a much more likely probability. She was about 17 years old so chemo or radiation or heroic measures werenât the right choice.
This lab has no prey drive. Heck we can barely get him to chase a ball.
Unless the dog is a true working dog- K-9 unit, therapy dog, hunting dog, tracking dog, herding dog, flock guardian dog then you could make an argument that no pet dog serves a purpose. I have known plenty of really nice pit bulls that their owners think that serve as much of a purpose to them as their other breeds of dogs namely companionship.
I think that currently many pitbulls are poorly bred. I think they attract crappy owners and owners that want that tough dog vibe. They either donât train them to be good well behaved dogs or they go as far as encouraging non-social behaviors towards people and other animals.
Personally I thing that 3 large high drive in one household is really not smart. If these dogs were routinely left to roam the streets that is really bad.
In general unless the dogs are bred to be pack dogs such as foxhounds and Basset hounds etc⊠then I think 3 dogs in one household left unattended is a bad number. I can easily think of 3 incidences where 2 dogs in the household ganged up and killed one of the dogs. None of those incidents involved a pitbull.
Yes I have owned 3 dogs at once. I never left all three loose in the house together. I always separated 1 dog from the other 2 when I wasnât there.
The OPs response was an emotional one triggered by the telling of a horrific event. Companion dogs serve a noble and necessary purpose.
I do often ponder whether the public safety risk is worth the benefit of a particular type of companion canine remaining unregulated anymore. It wasnât so long ago that they were used for slave reconnaissance. They were a working dog that masterfully served itâs purpose.
Pit bull is a generic term for terrier/bulldog/mastiff mix. They come in a variety of sizes and weightsâjust like each of their parent breed types. A 25 or 30# isnât likely to kill a person and is probably not the kind that is offending in these reports.
You add size and weight to a terrier and you are creating a serious killing machine. Put a big head on it with a big ol muscled up jaw and wowzer. Do not get bit. I really like terriers but they are killers. Every terrier person knows this. No terrier person denies this with a straight face. Thatâs why terrier was added to bulldog/mastiff to create the perfect bull baiting, slave catching, hog hunting dog.
Ps occasionally my 25# terrier tags me when we tug play. The amount of bite force he has with his fox type head/face is astounding.
ââThe OPs response was an emotional one triggered by the telling of a horrific event. Companion dogs serve a noble and necessary purpose.ââ
I can think for myself and I do think that companion dogs serve a purpose. I am also not emotional about these dogs. I just hate them.
PBs serve no purpose. Theyâre too unreliable and dangerous to be in society. Thatâs what I think. I have had GSDs all my life and currently have an 8 month old pup. I have experience with âaggressiveâ breeds. If you want a badass dog, get one. IMO, PBs just need to go away. Theyâre awful.
If you hate them then you are emotional about these dogs.
I had a GSD growing up. I have never been bitten by a PB. I have been bitten by two GSD and two Chiâs. The one GSD chased me across the grounds of the local Little League grounds and I had to climb the fence into the actual field to get away from him.
My own GSD was a stray. She nipped more than a few boys including my brother. She was overly protective around me and if anyone male moved too quickly for her liking she was right there and was quick with a warning nip.
My friend has 1 Basset cross, 2 PBs and 1 GSD. They are all great dogs and love people. One of the PBs is a tripod after an encounter with a garbage truck before my friend owned her. She doesnât think that her PBs should go away or that they serve no purpose.
Here are some statistics: In the 14 yr period 2005-2018 - canines killed 471 Americans. 66% ( 311) of them were killed by pit bulls. - Homeowners Insurers paid out 675 million in liability claims regarding dog bites/attacks in 2018. In 2018 - 35 people were killed by dogs. There were 4 deaths just in the last 8 days (2019)- all killed by pit bulls or pit bull crosses. Yes, there are a lot of nice pit bulls, but, they have geneticâs that cause a lot of them to attack animals and people and when they attack it is very serious. It isnât " how they are raised". I have seen many that were âraisedâ in loving homes from a puppy and then kill a dog. I am against All aggressive dogs, not just pit bulls. I think the entire dog community needs to become educated on responsible pet ownership - but - the statistics do show that pit bulls are responsible for more lethal attacks than other breeds.
There are so many pits and pit mixes in at least my county shelter that it seems like the default breed to adopt these days if you are going the âadopt donât shopâ route. I admit to having serious concerns about John Q Public adopting a heavy, strong dog who has been originally bred to fight, and not knowing how to handle a potential situation.
Why are there so many pits up for adoption? Why are they being overbred (which by definition they are, if so many are ending up in the shelter)?
Anyone know?
SorryâI digress The question is why so many in shelters. I think because they are a cheap and easy breed to come by+uneducated owner+6mo-20mo terrorist phase=dogs ends up shelter or back in shelter. Also, dog fighting demand keeps people breeding them, hoping to make some money. Theyâre advertised all over, Razers Edge, et al.
A terrier needs structure and discipline. I do not mean punishment or even much negative reinforcement. Terriers can be incredibly delicate flowers. But they have a vast range of âmodesâ if you will. They need direction and management to be and remain good canine citizens. They have the inherent capability to become canine offenders. A big, heavy, strong terrier mixed with bulldog and mastiff brings a whole different set of risk. If a dog of this mix is big enough to take down an adult human, it needs an experienced handler. Obviously this is not mainstream thinking and I think that is a problem.
Jack Russell Terrorist is as common a colloquial as Pibble. I suppose if you call your 75# terrier a terrorist it starts to sound like a threat and/or liability. Imagine that.
I posted a venting thread a couple weeks ago after my dog was attacked by a pit bull. I admit to not liking or trusting these dogs even before the incident.
They are overflowing the shelters here in Fla, and I believe that 1. They are questionably bred and 2. they clearly have questionable backgrounds; these dogs are not turned in, but are adults, unneutered, picked up while running loose. In addition the county shelter (now thankfully no kill) does little or no temperment testing and is not fussy about who is adopting. Its hard, so many dogs, cant blame them for wanting to find homes, but a vicious cycle. I went w/ a friend to look for a dog; I was shocked at how many were on their second or even 3rd trip through.
Was heavily involved with a big shelter outside Cleveland back in late 90âs - 2005 or so. There was a time that the private (non profit) shelters would not take pits as they didnât want the challenges or the liability. But then, as education and responsible ownership resulted in fewer âdesireableâ dogs being turned in, well they had to figure out a way to keep the kennels full
Some spot on statements in these posts ^^ about the nature of these dogs and what the owners should understand that are rational rather than emotional. Especially regarding the size and weight factors. Often the discussion can get too emotionalâŠ
Talk about casting a wide net⊠I have terriers, yes. Mine, as have all my dogs, had training to be well behaved (or crated for a visitor if necessary). Delicate flowers? I think not. Mine snuggle with me at night but not what Iâd consider âdelicateâ. They watch the bunny rabbit on the patio :lol:. Plenty of terriers weigh far less than 75 lbs (Iâm trying to imagine what breed of terrier would weigh more than my Bouviers.)
Any dog can become a âcanine offenderâ regardless of breed.
Here in Central Fl. Pit Bulls are very popular. And the local county shelter is full of them, sometimes 200 waiting for adoptions.
What has really surprised me though is that thereâs a fair number of them that go to the local dog parks and many of those are really great dogs. In fact my rescue GSD loves the pit bulls that are socially well adjusted. Now maybe these owners have done a great job of socializing and training them, I donât know but Iâve met some really nice ones there.
Or, as I describe it, most of my clients arenât great candidate for Jack Russell Terriers either. Most terriers need savvy dog owners. With our shelters absolutely flooded with bully breeds, I see way to many people adopting them who arenât great owners for them
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