Please help! I feel like my horse will one day kill me because of his habit

I’ve had a few friends go through this, with horses that were just not a fit for their riding skills or goals. They too grappled with the thought that they were failing the horse so there’s a few ways to look at this:

Failing the horse is continuing to force him to do a job he’s not suited to that also makes you miserable (and I can guarantee, he is also miserable), which is be a riding horse for you. What’s best for the horse is finding him a home where he is a fit for the riders skills and desires. The current situation you’re in will never be what’s best for him or you. You will both be happier with someone else.

These situations are a lot like a relationship gone bad. Think of someone you don’t particularly like, someone who has some characteristics that you really dislike and not enough redeeming qualities to make you interested in a real relationship with them (maybe a good looking person who seems pretty nice to you but is a total jerk to all your friends and family). Now what would you say if I said “you need to date this person and just figure it out”. No one is happy. You’re not happy, they’re not happy. No one does that, because you can’t fundamentally change someone so that you can suddenly be well matched. You’ve done everything right by this horse in terms of comfort and veterinarian concerns and yet he still goes like this. You cannot change who he is.

Like with people in relationships, there’s the right horse for you (in fact, there are several right horses for you out there) and there is the wrong horse for you (again, several wrong horses for you). It takes time, experience and maturity to recognize when it’s the wrong fit and to get out of it. Getting out of it quickly takes a lot of that AND a professional who is being honest with you. Your trainer is openly telling you this is a bad fit and yet you persevere. Rely on your trainer’s years and years of experience, he is not lying, he is not being mean. He has you and your horses best interests at heart.

I’ve been a horse owner for 16+ years and it took me the better part of a year to realize a horse I had needed to get out of my life immediately and it was an enormous relief once I finally made that call (he too was super sweet on the ground but became dangerous under saddle). He’s happier in his new job, I’m happier without him and with a different horse. Every horse owner ever has gone through this at least once, often multiple times over decades of ownership. It’s the nature of a sport that requires another living creature, sometimes personalities clash or people (or animals) don’t grow up how you thought they would.

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Listen, you have two options.

Keep the horse and learn how to ride it.

Sell the horse.

You cannot allow him to rip the reins out of your hands every time and expect him to get better. So if you want to keep him, you’re going to have to get stronger, get a better sense of timing, and figure out how to not let him get away with it. He also cannot be allowed to lean on your hands 100% of the time and be expected to change, nor can he be allowed to bolt consistently.

Those issues require a more complex set of skills then you likely posses right now. There isn’t anything wrong with that. And it’s not “giving up” to admit that. In fact, he’s teaching you terrible habits that you’re going to have to work hard to erase in the future. If you want the best for yourself, you need to make a decision on how hard you’re willing to work to keep him. If you were my student, I would work exclusively with you at the walk until you could keep him from ripping the reins from your hands. You need to decide if taking it back to square 1 and learning how to ride him is what you want. And you’re gonna have to hit the gym too.

But honestly? Sell him. If you replace boyfriend/girlfriend in your post, it becomes clear. You don’t stay in a bad relationship just because you aren’t sure if you can find a good one. Especially a relationship where you can get hurt. And admitting that a relationship isn’t the right fit for you isn’t quitting, it’s being smart and moving on before damage is done to either party.

He needs an experienced, strong rider to be his best. You weren’t sold the proper horse for your skills. Don’t “give up,” “get smart.” There are tons and tons of other horses out there who don’t have this trick. Don’t put so much pressure on yourself to find “the one.” I’ve had plenty of horses in my lifetime that weren’t “the one.” But they were lovely horses who taught me something. Look for a solid, good-natured horse; sacrifice athleticism for temperament. And when you outgrow him in a year or three, sell him and move the athleticism bar up a notch.

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OP—being second language makes sense (your English is very good so it wasn’t apparent this is your second language). Really your experience level doesn’t matter (other than deciding if this horse is really dangerous for everyone)…he doesn’t sound like the right horse FOR YOU. I personally don’t like riding the strong horses. I’m a bigger rider…taller and CAN ride strong horses but hate it. It’s not fun for me. And this sport is too expensive for it not to be fun. You need a horse more suited for you.

I don’t think this horse sound dangerous…he needs the right type of rider. If you don’t want to sell him, consider leasing him to someone. But do not feel guilty about this. Riding is a partnership, it sounds like you have tried to make this work. But it isn’t getting better. Move on. THERE ARE A LOT OF NICE HORSES out there. Perhaps you will need something less experienced (because of your budget)…but if it is a better match for you, you will be having more fun so much sooner than this horse.

I owned (still do) a big WB…I started him, first on his back, first to jump him…brought him along. But he just wasn’t my type of ride. His sister was a full TB and my older competition horse. I kept hoping he would be more like her…but nope. Very much a strong WB ride. He was/is totally a man’s ride. Yes, I can ride him…but it isn’t fun and isn’t enjoyable. I let him go on with some professionals (we syndicated him)…he had a great career. Letting this horse go on to be with the right rider for him is also good for HIM too.

Good luck!

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Echo most of the above but need to add there is no such thing as a ‘ hard mouth”. Only a horse that is ignoring the riders aids for whatever reason. Doesnt understand, is scared, doesn’t want to, rider is giving conflicting aids clamping legs to stay on sending it forward while pulling to slow and control it. Doesnt
matter, it’s not a hard mouth, no callouses deadening bit action. Might have started as defensive behavior from conflicting aids but it has become learned behavior OP cannot deal with.

This horse is not happy, it’s a bad match for him as well as OP. It’s not giving up to find him another home where he can be used properly and seek a better suited horse for your skills. Know OP is still relatively young but she needs to realize she cannot keep this horse for the rest of its life the way he is now and the kindest thing is to rehome him and move on. If others can and do ride him well, they can train out what he has learned from being allowed to take over.

Its the best thing for both to break up and move on before OP really gets hurt or killed as she fears and horse gets a bad reputation which will reduce his chances at a good home. OP has control of both her fate and this horses future at this point. Hope she chooses wisely.

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This is a give away.

Find a trainer who wants a project they can try to fix and flip, or a very experienced adult rider who can manage.

Give away

Find new trainer with lessons horses who already do the thing you want to learn.

Learn how to do the thing.

Find safe horse to do thing on later

You are 18. You don’t need a personal horse right now, especially since you’re learning and exploring a new disciple.

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I think you have been given very good advice.
You have tried what you are doing and more of the same for quite a while and it is not getting you the results you want. If you really want to stick with this horse then you will have to change what you are doing with him.
I had a horse that had some issues, she would tuck her head into her chest and go faster and faster…I spent a month just walking, circles, lines, poles, just walking until she learned to walk in a nice forward rhythm, then we started to trot, still mostly walking…and so on, my point is you may be able to make changes to the horse but you will have to make changes in your thinking first.

You mention the horse does seem to respond to your trainer but not you. Honestly this indicates its you, not so much the horse.
When I switched from western to english one of the hardest things for me to learn was contact and an appropriate release. I wanted to ride with a much softer hand, loop rein, than english horses understand. That may not be your specific issue, just pointing out that you may be a great charro rider as I was a western rider, but riding a different style can take a lot of rider retraining.

I have also had a horse that just didn’t work for me. After 4 years I finally made the decision to sell him. I hated the thought of giving up on him. But I was also starting to dislike going to the barn because every time I did I had to deal with this horse. The fun was gone.
If I had the pasture to make it feasible I could have just kept him and let him retire but that was not reasonable for me to consider so I had to make a choice. Part of what made it so hard is it is very difficult to find the type of horse I am looking for in my area.
Sometimes horses make us make some pretty tough choices.
Good luck, oh and I agree with Cocorona, you are not giving up, just moving on.

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The only entities in life we really have a life long responsibility to are our children, and even those may get rehomed in divorce custody settlements, or choose to go far away as adults:)

Every other relationship with partner, spouse, friend, animal, needs to be rethought if it gets to the point you cannot make it work and be positive.

There is no shame in selling a horse after a year, especially when you have good advice saying that IRL.

Being in a bad relationship with a person or animal can make us doubt there is any better alternative. But there always is.

You and horse need an amicable divorce and new partners.

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your former barn sounds like a piece of work to put it mildly I think you need to talk to your current trainer and let her know you’re just not happy, this horse sounds like he intimidates you and it’s just not fun. Find another home for him, sell him for whatever you can get for him - even if it’s less than you paid, just getting him off your payroll will help. Then look to lease or buy another horse. There will be a perfect match out there for you there is no need to suffer with a bad fit - and you’re certainly not alone in these situations. I know of situations where the horse was perfect for a few weeks and then bammo - insanity.

I just can’t believe your former trainer convinced you this was the best you’re going to get and wouldn’t welcome another horse into the barn. Seems pretty shady.

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Your English is great.

You have 2 ways to go from here.

1/ Sell the horse and find a packer.

2/ You are not doing the same as your trainer. It takes YEARS to learn correct contact. So you stop jumping this horse Your instructor rides this horse and can jump. You ride lesson horses and learn contact. You can then start having flatwork lessons on him. You do not even think about taking him over a pole until he is 100% doing everything for you. You don’t go over a jump until he is 100% doing what you want over a pole. Then 2 poles, etc

That is so important. You said he is terrible every ride even on the flat. You don’t ask a horse, not doing 100% his best for you, to jump unless you want to end up in the Hospital.

Option 1 is a lot more fun and will cost less money in the long run.

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It’s like any bad relationship. You might love him so much, and not want to give up on him, but deep down you know that you really aren’t happy. You have even said yourself you guys don’t “click”. He may be super sweet, but if you aren’t DYING to get out and ride him, that is your clue that he isn’t the horse for you. It has nothing to do with giving up, or not being up for the challenge. This is something upper level riders deal with too, I know of many horses that didn’t do well with one upper level rider but then thrived with another and went up to the top. Not because the first rider wasn’t skilled, but because rider and horse just weren’t a good match. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Being sweet and loving on the ground doesn’t mean that they are a good match under saddle, either.

Imagine what it would be like to have a horse that you love and trust. You can look forward to going out to the barn, tacking him up, getting on, riding and truly getting to work on new things and advance. It’s not easy to find, but it is so worth it. Don’t lose sight of that, strive for that. Don’t be afraid to say “me and my horse both deserve a partner that is perfect for us, and that is not who our partner is right now”. It takes real courage to say a relationship isn’t working out.

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Not sure leasing either this one out or another to ride after selling this one is as common where OP is as it is for most of us. Might not be the answer.

Come to think of it, the way the barn and trainer operate and the relationship between trainer and OP might be quite different then what we are used to and some suggestions aren’t going to be possible due to cultural differences.

But anywhere, this is not the right horse for OP.

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Since your trainer can ride your horse, could you hire her to train your horse so you or another person could safely ride him? You could spend this time (maybe a month or two) looking for a horse you can ride and have fun with. At the end of the time you will either be able to ride the horse yourself or have a saleable horse ready to put on the market. And you might have found the horse you really want.

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Adding one more opinion to the “sell” vote. When I was in high school, my trainer convinced me to buy a horse that was way too much for me (which she got a good piece from commission too, of course). In my head I wanted nothing more than to do the big eq with the “big kids”, and that’s a 15 yr old’s dream but I wish someone had been realistic and told me that I didn’t have the finances to actually get the “real” big eq horse. Never did get there anyway. This horse could jump 3’6” no problem, she was athletic and well behaved on the ground and she was drop dead gorgeous, BUT if I made half a mistake as I was learning, I got bolted with, bucked off to high heaven, or both. I was seriously injured several times, including broken bones. Before I was 16, my confidence was completely destroyed with jumping and 15 years later, I’ve never really gotten that back. I literally couldn’t trot a pole for a while without bursting into tears. My stubbornness told me I was failing if I got rid of the horse, so I kept her for much longer than I should have. I was miserable, horse was miserable, nothing good came of it. I wasted many years not enjoying riding and frankly I’ve never found that burning passion for it again after this horse. I finally decided to give her away and I don’t regret it at all. I thought it would be the worst day in the world to me to let her go and I cannot describe the weight taken off my shoulders when I dropped her off at her new home. Horse is happily doing a different job with an ammy and living the good life. I found something I could happily ride and jump small jumps and I don’t worry about her at all. It’s a dream come true.

Don’t hang on because you feel like you failed. You didn’t. Your trainers have failed you. And it’s not because he’s a bad horse. He’s not. But it’s not the right horse for you right here, right now. Find something you enjoy and doesn’t scare you. It’s hard making that move but 10,000% worth it in the long run.

Good luck!

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This 100 times

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Hello, OP here again for the latest update on this issue.
After a lot of consideration, a very serious talk with my trainer, and one last little incident (we took him to a show to see if in a new setting he would calm down, he didn’t and I had to stop him using a wall though we did win 5th out of 50 teams) we’ve decided to try and sell him and find me a horse that’s right for me. I love Winchester and I’ll always love him and everything he’s taught me and the many prizes we won together but I’m slowly getting more and more scared of how out of control I get when he gets strong on the bit. I’m still a bit hesitant, due to the fact that he really is a very good horse just not with me, but if we’re able to find him a good home then I’ll be happy to see him well taken care of and loved. I’ll keep you guys updated if you want and I’ll let you know if we find another horse thats good and behaves with me.

Also, I got a few messages asking what the deal was with my barn and I’ll start a thread to explain the whole situation and to help others avoid barns like my old one and for other people to tell their barn horror stories. Thank you, everyone, for you advice. Wish me luck on my journey to find a new horse

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I am glad to hear.

For future reference - taking a horse to a show will not calm it down.

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It was just to see if he would slow down, some horses need a bit more stimulation because they get bored and new setting can calm them down. My sisters horse calms down a great deal out in shows because he becomes more attentive but, well, mine didn’t so it was sort of the last straw

Good move. Find a horse that is safe for you.

For me, I have always felt that a bolter was a hard “no,” even when I was a lot younger and braver and bounced better than I do now I’m a cautious old lady. I’d take the odd buck and I could handle a recreational (as opposed to hardened “going to kill you”) rearer, but a bolter, just absolutely no–a horse with no sense of self preservation, that could take you over a cliff or across the highway, seemed like a bad and terrifying way to die.

i understand what you mean about taking a horse to a strange place making them pay more attention to you, by the way. Sometimes at home they are so hyper alert to the fact that a chair isn’t in its normal place or someone is doing something where they don’t normally do it, that it can be a problem, but take them somewhere where everything is new, they just go “oh, OK, then…” and settle down to work.

Good luck, I hope you find something sensible, fun and appropriate!

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To those still curious about my old barn story and why i bought Winchester in the first place, I’ve posted a thread here: https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/hunter-jumper/10400241-a-true-barn-horror-story-would-love-to-hear-yours
give it a read if you’re curious and I promise you, none of what I have said is exaggerated.

Are your parents helping you out with buying another horse at all?