Please help me decide - Surgery or conservative treatment for CCL tear

I need to talk this through with someone, hopefully you can hear me out and give me input on what you would choose in this situation. I’m super conflicted right now. My 6 year old dog was just diagnosed with hip dysplasia and a (I presume partial) CCL tear. The dog is almost fully weight bearing on the ‘bad’ leg - he walks slightly short but does not dramatically favor the leg while walking. He does have trouble getting up after he lays down and he is struggling a bit to go up stairs. He has hip dysplasia worse in the right hip on x-ray but the left hip is more symptomatic because he is compensating for the bad right leg. My vet consulted with an orthopedic surgeon who recommended TPLO surgery - to the tune of $5,000. My dog is 62 lbs and he said for larger dogs this is the best surgical option. There is another procedure that can be done by my vet and not the orthopedist which is about half the price but it comes with a higher risk of a failed recovery. There is also a greater than 50% chance that the dog will tear the CCL in the opposite leg within a year or two after surgery.

I have requested a consult with the Virginia Tech Veterinary Teaching Hospital to see if they would take him on as a surgical candidate, which would help alleviate some of the cost. However, ultimately, the money is not a big factor in my decision at this point.

I am considering whether to operate or to instead invest in conservative treatments, such as custom orthopedic braces for his knees (probably for both legs, so that he doesn’t injure the good one from stress/over compensating), quality joint supplement, and various therapies (underwater treadmill, physical therapy, laser/shockwave therapy, ultrasound, etc) for both his knees and hips.

I’m also considering whether, if I do surgery, should I bite the bullet for the expensive TPLO surgery or should I opt for one of the other surgical options that would probably have the same result but is a bit higher risk of recovery complications/reinjury?

My vet said in his experience conservative treatments are unlikely to truly solve the problem. He is worried that my compensating for the knee, his opposite hip will continue to get worse. I understand recovery will take approximately 3 months, with two weeks of crate rest followed by gradual increases in space and length of activity as well as therapy/rehab. The research I have done seems to show that some dogs can infact heal with conservative treatment but it takes significantly longer, about 8-10 months with restricted activity.

I am really struggling on what to do at this point. If he were non-weigh bearing I would opt for surgery for sure. But the only indication of pain is when he is trying to get up or trying to go up the stairs. I am nervous about doing an invasive surgery and potentially having him end up in worse condition than he is now. Part of my gut is telling me surgery is not the right option… but the other part knows that my vet typically is good about recommending conservative measures if he feels they are a good option and if he is recommending surgery then maybe he really needs it. I don’t know… I’m just really conflicted and would like to hear from anyone who has dealt with this injury before.

How was the tear diagnosed? Was the dog sedated for manipulation, was there an xray of the knee?

What kind of dog, and what kind of activity level? What is the prognosis for the hips - will they need surgery?

The TPLO is a life changing surgery, and really worth every penny in a 6 year old dog’s quality of life. At that size, I would not opt for an alternative “repair” of the CCL, because it’s likely not to hold anyway.

The big question, in my opinion, is the quality of life with the hip dysplasia as well. E.g. which is more limiting? If your dog will need hip socket repair on both hips, I might save up for that surgery instead… but if the dysplasia is manageable with exercise - I’d definitely do the TPLO because without it, you may not be able to manage the dysplasia.

My now deceased dog had TTA surgery instead of TPLO, because he had had a previous medial collateral tear from a trauma. It was an expensive knee! But he was 10 when he had the TTA and ran hard on it for 4 more years. He jumped out of the car when he returned from the surgery, it felt so good.

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Unfortunately you’re in one of those situations where you need to follow your brain/heart and do what’s best for YOU and YOUR dog. If you talk to 10 people who’ve had dogs in your scenario, you’ll get at least 5 different opinions. Not helpful, I know…

I know 4 dogs that had varying degrees of hip dysplasia and/or CCL tears. The youngest was a retriever was diagnosed with dysplasia at 2 yrs! She was managed with correct exercise/weight management and lived to 14. All 4 had pretty normal pet lives vs. performance lives. Two medium mutts didn’t have surgery as the owners couldn’t afford it, plus one was older. All dogs recovered with the non-surgical dogs taking longer about 10+ months to recover on their own (no PT, leashed exercise only). If you don’t feel surgery is right for your dog, don’t be guilted into doing it or keep second-guessing yourself. It’s YOUR dog. Good luck to you both!

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In my personal experience, I would opt for the TPLO given the dog’s size/age. I have a 75 lb mutt that has had a TPLO on both legs. It was a LONG recovery. She tore her RH and the night before surgery on that one, tore the LH. It was either euthanize or do surgery. She couldn’t walk at all and if forced to, would whimper in pain. This is a TOUGH dog who never shows signs of pain. I HATED the recovery. I normally keep my dog’s outside. She lived inside in a small exercise pen for months. I followed the rehab program to the exact minute. There was many times during recovery I questioned my sanity.

Now that the dog has been recovered fully for over a year, I would absolutely do it again. I wouldn’t waste money on alternative repairs for a dog that size.

However, you really do have to decide what’s best for you and your dog. But know that torn or partially torn ligaments are very painful to them. I didn’t realize how painful my dog was because she had BOTH partially torn so wasn’t overly compensating on one leg or the other.

The hip dysplasia definitely adds another element to it. Good luck to y’all whatever you decide to do!

I’m not sure I would do the surgery. Most dogs I’ve had that are large breed have not survived past 12 years. My 100 lab mix passed away at age 7. My husky mix barely made it to 12 years.

We did discuss surgery on my lab but the vet didn’t think he would do well given his size. It’s a long recovery with a lot of time spent in the crate. And the other leg will only get worse and then you will probably need surgery on the other side. I view these as a chronic degenerative condition, as without treatment it will eventually get worse… In my dogs case, it never did get much worse and he passed due to other reasons. He injured himself at age 2 or 3. Climbed the fence and hung a leg. But he recovered well with conservative treatment - not sound, but not super painful either.

My vet said, you can do invasive procedures, but it isn’t very ethical because your pet doesn’t understand why he is suffering or why he is at the vet’s office, and they can’t give consent. They come out of surgery confused, disoriented, and scared. If he is comfortable now, do you want to put him through that? Are the possible gains, worth the risks?

It might be different if he was extremely painful and uncomfortable. My dog just wasn’t that painful.

My Bouvier had TTA; fixed one ‘knee’ at I think 3 or 4 and the other never needed fixing.

My 8yo 70lb Boxer tore one, then the other about 8 months later. I elected to do hydro, and laser therapy. They worked AMAZING. On the first leg, we did about 15 sessions, and only I think 2 lasers. When he tore the second, the first /other started to get sore from compensation, so we did around 25 water, and maybe 8 of the laser sessions. The laser worked super well, noticeably improved the day after. The sessions weren’t cheap, but much more economical for us than surgery which I knew would be a nightmare for us to rehab. Plus, he absolutely loved going to “swim class”!

I’d opt for the hybrid of extracapsular repair and rehab treatments. I am working on my rehab certification now, studies showing TPLO as gold standard are light at best. At that weight range, functional outcomes a year post op TPLO vs excap are pretty comparable. Post operative care being critical to outcome

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Thanks all. I decided to go ahead with the ex-cap (lateral suture) surgery and custom bracing / rehab. He is scheduled for surgery on Monday. I became really uncomfortable with how invasive the TPLO surgery is. I also know that if his second leg goes, I wouldn’t be able to afford two TPLO surgeries… but two ex-cap surgeries is totally doable. Poor boy is in for a rough week next week!

Having repaired 5 knees on 2 Boxers I agree with you on TPLO. We did two of those and I frankly don’t think I’d put another dog through it. Recovery was rough and outcome was strong - it was just hard on me mentally to know what was going on in there.

Good luck this week. Lots of rest, restriction and rehab. SLOW is better. Don’t let him off the leash and don’t do too much, too soon.

Contact My Pets Brace- www.mypetsbrace.com and get a brace made for your puppy. They allow support while healing, and the healing happens more completely without the risk of surgery. I had one made for my beloved Valentine which was a lifesaver for her. They aren’t cheap- but more affordable, and better for your dog, long term.

Swayze had his surgery almost two weeks ago and is doing great! He is thoroughly unhappy with being in a pen at this point, but a little sedative to take the edge off is helping. He’s walking great, and has a follow up next week. He also has a rehab consult next week.

I ordered a custom brace for him which should be here in a week or two. I’m excited to try it out.

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