Could you all share what you think of this horses pedigree? I am new to the tb world and considering purchasing. Thanks!
I plan to do a bit of everything with horse- but haven’t been riding for years so am hoping for an athletic but safe sane partner. I’ve attached the pedigree before
That’s a really nice pedigree, especially for a first TB.
Real Solution stands at Calumet Farm in KY, though they have been offering him for sale. He’s an average racehorse sire but gets a lot of praise for his offspring as sporthorses from those who have had him. His sire, Kitten’s Joy, is one of the top sires of turf horses in the US and also tends to pass on really nice movement and jump.
Jump Start was the leading racehorse sire in the mid-Atlantic region for many years. The best thing about him for sport is his offspring tend to have great brains. Really rideable horses (who are also very talented). People seek them out for sport.
This horse has 2 crosses to AP Indy who was one of the greatest racehorse sires of modern times, and also has developed a heck of a reputation for rideable sport horses. He has plenty of other sport influences in his pedigree as well.
If you like him, get him! You always have to evaluate the horse in front of you, but everything on paper says this horse should be what you are seeking.
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@Texarkana that was fun to read. I bow you your vast and thoughtful knowledge.
Didnt AP Indy have a nice, efficient way of moving? I dont follow racing and remember few horses. Usually I remember the ones who move like I would like to ride. As in, "Gee I wonder how he would do in Dressage / 3Day " I dont see racing animals
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I’ve heard it called “efficient” too in terms of his gallop and racing style.
Really, he wasn’t the type of horse you’d pick out of a lineup based on conformation or movement alone. Nothing wrong with him, but he was just your typical, averaged-sized, bay TB by appearances.
It’s funny because both his sire and broodmare sire were such exceptional physical specimens, and frequently passed that on to their offspring. AP Indy was plain by comparison, but proved to be the most influential.
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Thank you very much for your input- helpful to peice that with the horse
I am nowhere near an expert, but that won’t keep me from adding a response! The second pedigree is interesting because there are fewer duplications, but I don’t know many of the names that are up close.
Based on pedigree, I’d take a good long look at the first horse because I LOVE LOVE LOVE Sadler’s Wells in the pedigree. I had a mare descended from him and she was sweet, easy to train and athletic. I evented her, hacked her, and sometimes wouldn’t ride for a month or more, but could get on her and have the same horse I last rode. She was great. But as was said above, evaluate the horse in front of you!
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I love Dynaformer offspring. Your guy has him a bit further back, but I find they tend to be very athletic and great jumpers. Good lines all around.
This one I have a little less insight on because my experience is limited with the sire and broodmare sire.
I am not sure I have any firsthand experience with Euroears (gosh, my memory is getting foggy). I remember him racing, then I think he went overseas for a bit and came back.
But Langfuhr is another consistent, reliable influence for sport. Langfuhr horses tend to be good workhorses period. I don’t think you will find anyone in any discipline who could say a bad word about Langfuhr offpsring-- racing, sport, whatever, they show up and do their job.
Again, I can’t say much about Evansville Slew because I can’t recall any direct interactions with his offspring. But Slew City Slew was a good looking horse who used to appear quite a bit in pedigrees of sporthorses.
If you go back farther, you have plenty of other strong sport influences - Alydar, Secretariat, Fappiano, etc.
Again, if you like the horse, there is nothing in the pedigree to suggest this horse won’t be what you want. But you always have to base your decision on the horse in front of you.
Edited: spelling
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I adore that first pedigree. Kitten’s Joy, Pulpit, Jump Start = chef’s kiss. With any luck, that is an attractive, rideable horse who’s an athlete. My Jump Start was trail riding solo in dead of winter a month after racing.
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If you move forward with the first one, make sure to have a very thorough PPE done with films. I know two storm cat descendants that have funky confirmation. One has KS, but is owned by a trainer so the proper work is done to keep him happy and eventing at training level. He’s a super horse, just a little something to keep in mind. The other was owned by my current trainer and said he also had maintenance issues. Most OTTBs you’ll find that there is increased maintenance. Can’t beat the heart and try of them though! I love my mare that has some similar lineage to the second pedigree you post. Good luck shopping, such an exciting time!
Storm Cat is so prevalent in so many TB lines that it’s useless to make a generalization like that. It’s like when people say all Storm Cats are hot… When the horse has the sire three generations back.
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Agreed. Sadlers wells is wonderful in a pedigree.
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This is not my experience at all. TB owner for life and current owner of 5. Their maintenance is non existent other than good standard care of a competition horse.
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Exactly!
As horses move back in the pedigree, their influence decreases.
That’s why you always start evaluating with the sire and dam. Unfortunately, when evaluating a TB pedigree of a horse you never met, it’s unlikely you know the dam. So the next best thing you can do when you know nothing specific about the dam is extrapolate from the broodmare sire.
I don’t know what percentage of TBs have at least one cross to Storm Cat in 2023, but I promise it’s a lot. Trying to avoid him is like trying to avoid days that end in “y.” (And is completely unnecessary IMO)
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My 4 yr old is an absolute unicorn. In 48 years of horse ownership, the best young horse I’ve ever owned. Broodmare Sire was Tale of the Cat.
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For the first pedigree, agree with all that’s been said this far. The dam side is pure Mid-Atlantic (Diesis stood in Gettysburg PA) and I’m local to the region so have seen a lot of similarly bred horses. While I’m not directly familiar with the sire, I have a horse who is also El Prado (through Medaglia D’Oro) over Pulpit mare and he is the total package. Pulpit had a reputation for hotness/spookiness, but was a doll at the stud farm and I’ve loved his offspring.
I’ve had OTTBs for the past 35 years, and it’s rare that I have one that needs anything special.
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OTOH, my OTTB has been more lame than sound, for years, and I have two friends with the same story on theirs. We all had QH or draft crosses before that were indestructible. I had a sportbred TB that was sound as a bell also. And it’s not just my little sphere with the same story of OTTB issues.
You can find lame horses and sound ones from any breed. And any bloodline.
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Yes, very true. I’ve had more issues, maybe ironically, with my WBs over the years.
