Please tell me about Shetland Sheep

[QUOTE=pj;4729402]
It was just the shearing that cured me. Other than that I enjoyed them throughly.
:slight_smile: I don’t think there is anything cuter than a baby lamb either.
I didn’t enjoy banding their little tails (and other parts on occasion) but it wasn’t hard to do.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t mind having some babies around. I tend to “adopt” older animals no one else wants, so I rarely get to enjoy the babies anymore. We had plenty when I was growing up, and I was in charge of delivering the piglets. I’ve spent many a night in a stall with a sow in labor. They would always let me come in with them, even if they wouldn’t tolerate anyone else.

They aren’t very bright and take special watching at lambing time. We’ve had ewes to drop a lamb in the freezing cold pasture and walk off and leave it to go to the barn to have the other so you have to watch for that kind of “thinking”.

That is good to know. My brother had a cow deliver early in a terrible cold spell one winter. The cow then walked 1/2 mile up to the barn for dinner, leaving her calf alone out in the woods. We scoured the woods in the dark for that calf and finally found her nestled in the snow under a tree. My brother had to carry her through the snow the 1/2 mile to the barn (he learned a lesson about keeping a better eye on the pregnant ones). That calf had frostbite on her ears and had tiny ears for the rest of her life.

We started with four and stopped at 12. Truely if we could have found someone reliable to shear that small number each year I’d still probably have sheep.

If I get sheep, I guess I will need to start networking right away in order to hopefully find someone who can shear them. Thanks to all for the heads up on this point!

[QUOTE=MistyBlue;4728820]
(and have to post this one because it’s making me :D
either jumping or someone scared the hell out of it)
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00475/Puli_Dog_280_475281a.jpg[/QUOTE]

MistyBlue,
That picture is hilarious! Thanks for posting it.

They aren’t very bright and take special watching at lambing time. We’ve had ewes to drop a lamb in the freezing cold pasture and walk off and leave it to go to the barn to have the other so you have to watch for that kind of “thinking”.

That isn’t my experience at all. I’ve always found they make good mothers. IF you leave them to lamb naturally outside they will leave the flock to find a quiet place to lamb and once they’re in labour they’ll start to paw the ground and will keep looking round to see where the lamb is. They tend to lamb easily and without intervention normally though occasionally once might be displaced or breach and so may need assistance. This is more likely if the ewe is having twins or triplets.

Shetlands tend to have a single lamb. This again is quite common for the hill breeds. It’s a survival thing and basically ensures that there’ll be enough milk for the single lamb in cold weather.

Once the shoulders and head are through, then the birth is very quick and the ewe immediately goes to lick off the mucous membranes and it’s VERY rare she rejects a lamb or needs assistance.

Mind you maybe my experience isn’t normal. After all I’ve only been at it for 5 decades and currently have just short of 2,000 ewes. :wink:

Watch a field of sheep with lambs in and see what happens when a lamb “loses” it’s mother when there’s a couple of hundred in the field. The lamb bleats and it’s mother knows it’s call even though she might be a long way away and she’ll go to it or vice versa she’ll bleat and the lamb will go directly to her.

Wow, suicidal sheep AND horses! Throw in my suicidal chocolate lab too, who got himself stuck in a pile of downed trees behind my neighbors when he was chasing a rabbit. I had to drop a rope down around his torso and pull him up and out of that deep hole. He’s lucky I found him. He was trapped for about 18 hours.

Stupid too? I was also thinking about getting some chickens. There can’t be anything more stupid than a chicken!!! I haven’t named my farm yet, but I am seeing an unfortunate trend here, LOL. At least the horses are Arabs, so they aren’t dumb!

Well, add turkeys too and you;ve got most of the dingbat suicidal animals. :winkgrin: You can call the place Suicide Stables. Maybe Don’t Go Into The Light Farm? Howzabout: Bought The Farm Farms? :lol:

Ghazzu
checked out pictures of the Katahdin sheep, those are pretty! But not the type I drive past. maybe one of the breed Thomas listed? I did a google photo search and this photo looks exactly like the one I drive by
at least I’m pretty sure it does since I am going by kind of fast:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26605367@N00/223050712/

Unfortunately that’s someone’s Flicker account photo, so it just says Long Hair Sheep. I just feel bad for that sheep sometimes
that it’s never sheared. But if there are types that don’t get sheared and are okay in the heat
I guess it’s fine.

I think that’s an Angora goat


LOL then I guess your experience is normal and my sheep were retarded as we had that to happen on more than two occasions with the small number we had.
Once everything settled down they did make good Mothers and I never had one to reject a lamb.

:frowning: Figures I’d get the retarded ones.

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;4729620]
That isn’t my experience at all. I’ve always found they make good mothers. IF you leave them to lamb naturally outside they will leave the flock to find a quiet place to lamb and once they’re in labour they’ll start to paw the ground and will keep looking round to see where the lamb is. They tend to lamb easily and without intervention normally though occasionally once might be displaced or breach and so may need assistance. This is more likely if the ewe is having twins or triplets.

Shetlands tend to have a single lamb. This again is quite common for the hill breeds. It’s a survival thing and basically ensures that there’ll be enough milk for the single lamb in cold weather.

Once the shoulders and head are through, then the birth is very quick and the ewe immediately goes to lick off the mucous membranes and it’s VERY rare she rejects a lamb or needs assistance.

Mind you maybe my experience isn’t normal. After all I’ve only been at it for 5 decades and currently have just short of 2,000 ewes. :wink:

Watch a field of sheep with lambs in and see what happens when a lamb “loses” it’s mother when there’s a couple of hundred in the field. The lamb bleats and it’s mother knows it’s call even though she might be a long way away and she’ll go to it or vice versa she’ll bleat and the lamb will go directly to her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=pj;4730199]
LOL then I guess your experience is normal and my sheep were retarded as we had that to happen on more than two occasions with the small number we had.
Once everything settled down they did make good Mothers and I never had one to reject a lamb.

:frowning: Figures I’d get the retarded ones.[/QUOTE] Some of the great big commercial cross breeds can have more problems.

You’ll be aware that twins are the norm in commercials. Often triplets and even quads! Also the lambs are big.

That can all increase the possibility of risk and it’s why they all tend to be lambed inside where they can have a watchful eye.

[QUOTE=ToiRider;4729479]

If I get sheep, I guess I will need to start networking right away in order to hopefully find someone who can shear them. Thanks to all for the heads up on this point![/QUOTE]

I would. I would start looking right away. I PROBABLY was the only person in this county with sheep and it’s hard to get a shearer to want to travel for no more than I had.
If you find someone and if your back is okay then you can probably learn to do it yourself. Have them teach you. I know I watched a pro in another State do sheep and it was unreal how quickly and apparently easy it went with him.
I just never could get it so we had a wrestling match each and every time.

A little off topic but I love this.
In a State Park where I often ride the stable there has a sheep. He is OLD
and has lived there lots of years. This stable does group rides and every single first ride of the day the sheep goes along. He brings up the rear.
Different rides are different distances and the difficulty of the rides are different.
It matters not to him. No matter how long or how difficult the ride is he goes following the horses. Then he is done. It’s only the first ride going out that he is interested in. He only follows his “own” horses and has no interest in the privately owned horses at all.
It’ll be a sad day when the old shaggy thing is no longer there or is unable to “do
drag” for the tourists.

I love sheep. Yes, they need slightly tighter fencing than the horses (four board with a little strand of electric between the bottom rail and the ground works great). We have icelandic sheep, which do not need to be sheared, though we do shear them 1 or 2 x per year to get the fleeces. I hate doing the shearing, so we do get a shearer to come. The sheep usually have twins and are great mothers. They are really excellent grazers and nibblers, they eat the roughs that the horses won’t touch, plus they like a lot of the weeds. Plus, they don’t dig up pastures the way horses do. We’ve not had too much trouble with the predator issue, but if you are worried about that just find a llama to stick in there with them. The horses get along great with them, I find them to be very compatible.

OMG! Over the summer we went to an auction (for horses) and there happened to be 2 Shetland mini sheep there - one black and one white. Ended up buying them for $35 ea for a friend who couldn’t pick them up for a day. After having them 24 hours I wanted 10!!! But, alas, DH said “NO!!!” They were about the most adorable things on 4 tiny tiny feet. They were carried out to our trailer by the auction boys - one under each arm! Heard from my friend that only a week after arrival, they each lambed! :slight_smile:

I so want a sheep or 10. I don’t need more mouthes to feed


I tried my hand at sheep- did not work out well, my vet told me that the only thing a sheep looks for is a good place to
 :dead: umm well you get the gist lol Thank goodness my son decided he would rather show goats. Goats are hardy & great at mowing :slight_smile: We have 52 acres they roam on, but every night they come into thier pen. We also built them a 3 1/2 sided huge run-in (i currently have 22 nannies (have had over 60 depends on the time of year) Goats are addicting & each have their own quirks. Do not believe when people say “they eat everything”- so not true. I statred out with 1 nanny that was given to me b/c I am a sucker- she was eating the siding on a guys house, but he didnt want he to go to market. I brought her home, got her on a proper diet & she has NEVER tried to eat anything other than ‘normal’ goat things (unless you count BBQ chips lol) I have a nanny who LOVES dill pickles. Anyway- just my 5 cents (sorry for being so long winded) I never in my life thought I would be raising goats, I never was around them as a kid, it was always horses horses horses lol

Shetland wool is to die for! Although I’m not certain you can properly call it Shetland unless your sheep are actually in Shetland. (Note to self, really need to ask Liz Lovick that.)

Anyhow, I am sure you can find a knitter/spinner who would be delighted to shear your sheep for the fleece. If you weren’t 9 hours away from me I would volunteer myself. :yes:

PS - to whomever said chickens were stupid, you obviously never met a turkey. :lol: Chickens at least know to come back to their roost/coop at night.

Haven’t owned any Shetland sheep, though we had a couple in the 4-H club that the kids had for pets. They are BITTY little animals. They were good natured, FELT SO NICE to pet with such soft wool. However the kids all had to get down on their knees to place feet, or be bent with head lower than waist, to show them in the prescribed “sheep hold” used in the ring.

Your fence would need to be pretty solid at the low areas to retain sheep, but tall enough to keep dogs out. You could also get a donkey protector, and not a mini sized one. Jenny donkey works best, gelding and Jacks are often hard on sheep. Some donkeys will kill sheep who get into their food, but those all seem to be male. BLM donkeys are hard workers, energetic enough to go after dogs. Locally, a number of sheep owners have BLM donkeys with their flocks. You may have to totally sedate the donkey for his yearly trim, so he doesn’t injure the farrier. Do NOT accept “pretty sedated” from the Vet. One place I know, Farrier said “No he is not out” and Vet then got kicked as he went to pick up the front hoof to prove donkey had enough. Vet needed stitches in his head from that swipe. Make sure the farrier knows how to tie his hooves up for safety during trim, if donkey is not into trimming. Donkey standing can kick from his muzzle, down his side, to way out behind in one swipe, hurt someone badly.

Not sure how much money you want to get into this with, but they sell sheep/goat electric netting fence. You could line the rail fence with the netting, for both containing them and protection from free ranging dogs. Netting appears pretty portable, so you could move it around the farm to get fresh grazing.

We have market lambs, shear them on a sheep stand. Head is contained on the stand, and you can work standing mostly, to shear the body. We have tried the sitting method, but our sheep didn’t read that book and were not cooperative. Hard on the back leaning over and sometimes the legs start flailing and hurt you. So MUCH easier to use the stand.

Oddly enough, the show sheep folks wash sheep first, blow off water with the vac on exhaust, towel dry them, and THEN clip them damp. Rather like the folks who are body clipping wet horses, bragging on how nice the clip turns out.

We have a shearing head on the big Osters, blades are SHARP. However we have always had a hard time clipping them with the shearing head, they get cut if fighting you. You run into clots in wool, hard to get thru. This year DD tried the shearing head, was having a really bad time with the first cutting on lambs. She gave up, waited a day, then washed lambs and sheared them damp like for a show. Used the horse Osters with regular # 10 blades. The clippers and blades worked just fine, wool came right off, leaving the lambs smooth and no cuts at all. We trimmed them damp after bathing them, using the horse clippers all summer. They looked nice finished, clipping went quickly each time.

So an option for keeping your Shetlands sheared each year. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work on them too. Washed clean, wool doesn’t dull the blades fast with dirt, and for some reason damp wool cuts fine with our big horse clippers. I can’t cut anything on the sheep when wool is dry using our horse clippers. I strongly recommend using a sheep stand, goat stand, to raise the sheep up high enough so you are comfortable working. You can build one yourself, like a goat milking stand. Don’t make it very wide, you have to lean forward as animal moves sideways, out of reach. Real hard on the back, leaning and reaching for periods of time.

I am not a goat person, they get into too much mischief. The “long haired sheep” photo is actually an Angora Goat, not sheep at all. A quick method to tell sheep and goats apart, is goats carry tails upright all the time. I feel sorry for the sheep who never gets sheared, they can get skin problems, maggots in wounds caused by things caught in the wool and covered. Breeding sheep need to have shearing so they don’t have fluids and birthing material caught in wool to cause infections or actually prevent breeding or lambs finding the udder. Crotching or Crutching, means to shear away wool from the udders and rearend of the ewes before they lamb. Might be too early to totally shear them yet.

As Thomas said, commercial sheep bred for meat, tend to have multiples. The US goal is for every bred ewe to replace herself and the extra lamb/s is the bonus money animal. Sheep are bred for multiple births, you make more money on them then. But they do need watching, help if things go wrong. Our friends just finished lambing, sleeping out in the “man cave” attached to the sheep shed so they could check each hour. Has TV, fridge, nice beds, LOUD alarm clocks. I think they have 40+ ewes, mostly show sheep. They got many multiples, lost only 2 lambs who had defects. They managed to get the extra lambs, triplets, ignored twin or runt twin, to bond with single lamb ewes. So NO BOTTLE BABIES this year!! Pretty intensive care for over a month as the lambs arrived, to be this successful in numbers. Family members rotate watching day and nights, though they are all kind of groggy this time of year!! Ha Ha.

I would love some Shetlands, but have to be realistic. I do not spin or knit, so wool would be wasted. Finished lambs at a year old, are hardly big enough to bother putting in the freezer. Lamb chops are size of a quarter, with tiny roasts less than half pound. The 9month lambs at 4-H were about 15 inches tall, TINY things. All POOF with long wool, not much body. If you breed the ewes, then eventually there are too many animals and some have to go someplace else.

My market meat lambs are just better for family eating here. Between 130-150 pounds when they go, gained mostly from grazing. Returns about 70-90+ pounds of meat for the freezer. Both types eat grass, but market lambs eat more, so I have less trimming of field to keep production of grass up. Tiny sheep would require different fencing, ours is designed for larger animals. Thick, heavy wool coats can make electric wire strands ineffective, I don’t care how hot the charger is. One of the reasons we keep the market lamb’s wool trimmed so short, is so they FEEL the fence bite! The netting electric has small holes, no place to push thru without zapping noses and ears. Folks say netting is effective, keeps out dogs and coyotes.

The Khatadin sheep I know, are not wooly at all. They also do not look like the photos of Khatadin sheep. Maybe some cross not mentioned. They have actual hair, kind of like deer hair, fawn color. My friend sells her Khatadin lambs at the Farmer’s Market for lamb roasts. She has customers who want them whole. Selling at the Market she is making a profit, lambs are moved on. Her Khatadins are nice and friendly, extremely easy to handle, easy lambing of single lambs and no shearing. She enjoys them except when fixing fence. Says the whole flock follows her all around, supervising. Khatadins would be a nice option for just keeping things grazed down, being pets. Smart enough to come when called, not creative like goats for getting into trouble. Sheep are not very bright, but they can learn with routine handling.

The picture posted, this one ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/hannitabonita/223050712/in/photostream/) IS an Angora GOAT and not a sheep of any kind. I used to live next door some breeders that had about 100 of them. I could spot an Angora Goat from a mile away. Shetland sheep are way cuter IMO :lol:

Here are some pictures of Shetland Sheeps. They are so cute! (my curiousity got the best of me and I googled)

http://www.halcyonshelties.com/halcyonstationshetlandsheep.html

I have a couple of Barbados Blackbelly ewes – no maintenence and they do much more weeding than my goat

I’m resurrecting this thread because I got two weanling Shetland wether lambs this weekend and honestly wouldn’t mind having two more. They’re adorable and though they were partially bottle fed, they’re still a little wary in their new surroundings. I’m hand feeding them some every day and hope to get them halter and leash broke. I think they’d be a gas to take to my daughter’s school. They’re so much milder than goats. We’ve had pygmies and Nigerian Dwarfs and they were all funny but also loud, pushy/shovey and destructive. While I loved some of their antics, the cons ultimately made me not want to keep them.

These little guys are presently about twice the size of a small house cat. https://goo.gl/photos/VwBxZxNFfQVu3SsAA

https://goo.gl/photos/BxFFi6sA7en7d1Gm9 My Sheeps!

So I’ve had these adorable little Shetland wethers for a few weeks now and they’ve gone from skittish to very friendly. They’re adorable and way less annoying than goats. They now have the run of my barn area and where goats would be into everything and chewing on everying, the sheep don’t seem to bother anything.

OH MY goodness are they ever cute!! that buck!!

do sheep really eat just about everything? a while back my parents, who still have their farm, got into goats and they eat/destroy everything and get into everything EXCEPT for what they were purchased for: which was to ‘trim’ the back lot.