PMU mares being "bled" for hormone collection online petition

This is an “online petition” that seems to be circulating. I have some question as to it’s legitimacy.

First off, I have had some experience with the PMU industry, when it was operating in western Canada. I heard the stories, and went to the foal auctions that were closest to me. I met several of the ranchers who were selling the foals, talked to them about some of the issues that were being publicized by the media, and LIKED several of the ranchers I met, and came to respect them as horsemen. DIFFERENT horsemen from what I know, more like a diary operation than most horse breeding operations, but different is not always evil. We talked about their goals in selling the foals, and I bought several each year at various auctions, over about a ten year period. I did not buy as a “rescuer”, I was looking for TB/drafty crosses as riding and h/j/e/d prospects. And was successful with this plan, found some very good ones, developed them, broke, trained, showed and sold them for a profit. Those who did not have the talent I was looking for were sold as recreational/ pleasure riding mounts. So, I don’t “hate” PMU ranchers, and nor do I criticise the industry as a whole. Like many branches of the equine industry, there are no doubt individuals who are less than stellar, and breeding decisions that I, personally, would not make, BUT, it was the ONLY breeding industry who had a governing body who made spot inspections, governing bodies who had the power to shut down any farm whose basic horse care was found to be not adhering to industry standards. You don’t find that in breed specific farms, Warmblood breeders, TB breeders, QH breeders, Arabian breeders, etc. No one inspects these farms, and their breed organizations do not have the power to shut them down if basic horse care is not adequate. And I’ve personally seen a number of them that are NOT ADEQUATE! Because of the negative critics of the PMU industry making claims about the handling of the mares, “abuse crazies” would appear, make death threats to the ranchers I knew, threaten to burn their houses and barns down. Most of these ranchers had to keep their addresses private, just to stay safe from crazies. Many of the charges made against the industry were incorrect, and imaginary in nature. I know that, because I was there, and saw how things worked. The care and handling is “different” from most of us in other branches of the equine industry, but not abusive, or neglectful, and the mares and foals were healthy and happy, well cared for by their owners. Better than many ranchers, breeders and owners NOT involved in the PMU industry.

The other thing I really liked about the PMU bred foals is that the culling system produced foals who tended to be easy to handle, as their mothers were mares who were content to stand “on line”, easy to harness with very little handling or training, placid mares who didn’t want to start fights with other mares standing next to them. They also bred easily, naturally, with little or no vet work required, and foaled alone, and raised their foals without human help in any way. These mares were selected for breeding soundness, mothering ability and prowess, and quiet, stoic natures, and I think that these are VERY important traits that are valuable in riding and completion horses. Not a lot of crazies in the broodmare band. The stallions used were horses who did not savage the mares, had nice dispositions, did their own teasing and breeding, and without help from humans. Nice horses, not crazies who had to be restrained. Any mare or stallion who did not fit these demands, were culls, and went to slaughter. This attitude, the unemotional “culling” of stock that did not meet the standards for what the ranchers were trying to do, resulted in nice foals often, IMO. Foals with these qualities that are often not found in performance based breeding programs, and especially NOT in AI programs. All I needed to do was find the ones that looked like they were athletic, because I knew they had some advantages that may not be present in breeding populations that did not select for these things.

I guess I am a person who looks for the advantages in programs that may benefit what I am looking for, and am slow and reluctant to criticize those whose care produces healthy, sound and sane horses, even if they are engaged in a different arm of the equine industry that I am.

Then, the drug company closed most of the ranches in North America, and moved production to China instead. Less hassle from the critics when the farms were in China. So the critics of the industry got this done for the horses involved. Congratulations on that, I’m sure that those mares in China are looked after far better. Not.

Now, this online petition is being circulated, charging that PMU mares are being “bled” to harvest the hormone, instead of simply having the urine collected. That mares become weak, and die as a result. There is little actual facts supplied in the plea to sign, just a picture of a dead and partially rotted horse carcass to elicit shock in the viewer. And demands that this abuse has to stop. Well, it’s China, so I suppose that anything is possible. But I find it unlikely, simply because it is expensive to have to purchase more mares and put them in foal, with a high death rate of mares due to bad practices. I have tried to google this, and asked Snopes, but can not find any proof that this practice is actually happening. I have not signed the online petition (not that they are effective anyway) because I suspect that this charge is not true, much as a lot of what was circulating in North America to enrage the horse loving population regarding the PMU ranches was not true. But I have some friends who have signed this petition.

What do you think, COTH? True, or not true?

Anyone care to give an opinion?

I doubt it’s true, since it would be sacrificing a producer of the product that could still be in production with a living mare. However, the Chinese government doesn’t answer to anyone else, let alone a petition.

I doubt it’s true, since it would be sacrificing a producer of the product that could still be in production with a living mare. However, the Chinese government doesn’t answer to anyone else, let alone a petition.

I did a little research on this when I saw it and found that horse blood is used in many things like vaccines, hormone isolation etc. The whole bleeding them until they collapse and die seems counterproductive and sensationalized however but I am sure things can and do go wrong. And petitions are useless as stated above. Here is a good article.

http://theinsiderein.com/2016/02/19/donor-horse-serum/

Just more sensationalist clickbait IMO.

I also visited PMU barns in western Canada years ago - I often went along with a vet on ride-alongs when he dropped in for spot inspections on the big PMU barns. They were not in any way what the propaganda would have you believe. They were bright and clean… horses were well fed and always had fresh water available (a common PMU myth is that water is withheld to make the urine stronger - which is stupid as the refining process does that). Mares on the line were routinely cycled outside for some free time - and would often hang at the gate so they could PLEASE come right back inside to that horrible place that was supposedly torturing them.

We never saw open sores from chafing harnesses, or unhappy, depressed mares or water withheld or any of the many myths that have become “facts”. Mares were arranged in their stall to as to be compatible and happy with their neighbors. Any mare who was unhappy or had issues was not used.

Think about it - an unhappy or stressed mare will be less likely to cycle and not get in foal easily. We often saw shiny, dappled mares snoring on their sides in their stalls, apparently oblivious to the fact that they were being abused and tortured and living a hellish existence.

We dropped in on the barns unannounced and with no warnings. Staff and owners were always professional, polite, had nothing to hide and cared about the horses in their care. There was a long list of regulations that had to be checked for - and every barn exceeded the requirements.

Mares were turned out in the spring, foaled out in big loafing sheds close to the main buildings (attendants kept an eye out for anyone who needed help), ran free with their foals and the select stallions until fall when the foals were weaned and the mares moved back inside for the winter. The fall foal sales in September and early October were always very well attended - and not just by self-important “rescuers” who often had no clue about how to deal with sassy, independent weanlings.

One of the biggest September sales occurred during the Masters tournament at Spruce Meadows - and we would forsake SM for the day to attend the sale. Not surprisingly, we often saw many BNTs and riders who were also at SM make the trip to check out prospects as well.

One winter night, we were leaving a large PMU barn… it was set back in a valley a bit and had a long winding driveway that curved back to the main road. As we got to the road, two horses from the property next door were up along the fenceline trying to shelter from the blowing snow behind the remnants of a disgustingingly foul looking round bale. Their heads were down, butts to the wind, and it was obvious that they were underweight. The vet sighed sadly… and wondered aloud about what horses were being neglected and abused… certainly not the mellow, well cared for PMU mares we had just seen.

The current “revelations” are about blood products, not urine. As I understand it, the human health fad for estrogen supplements peaked and faded out some years ago so urine harvesting is no longer such a huge business.

I too was curious as to whether the claims about blood products were true. I was finding no confirmation that it was even a real practise, except on the petitioners’s links. The link to Inside Rein that Laurie Race provides seems like a credible account of the situation. It was posted a year ago, and refers to the issue having been brought to the attention of the pharmaceutical companies, and largely investigated, in 2015. So the petition to the EU is perhaps a bit of internet debris that has just finally circulated into view in North America.

The current “revelations” are about blood products, not urine. As I understand it, the human health fad for estrogen supplements peaked and faded out some years ago so urine harvesting is no longer such a huge business.

I too was curious as to whether the claims about blood products were true. I was finding no confirmation that it was even a real practise, except on the petitioners’s links. The link to Inside Rein that Laurie Race provides seems like a credible account of the situation. It was posted a year ago, and refers to the issue having been brought to the attention of the pharmaceutical companies, and largely investigated, in 2015. So the petition to the EU is perhaps a bit of internet debris that has just finally circulated into view in North America.

It almost sounds like they’re mixing facts from PMU and antibody production. Unlike antibody production, I can’t imagine they would want to exsanguinate the donor in these cases. And horses are almost never used in secondary antibody production, they’re just too expensive.

It’s disheartening to see these industries moved from North America. For those who care about animal welfare, oversight seems like the best way to preserve animal wellbeing, with out-of-sight-out-of-mind being the worst possible way to go.

Former East Germany - now, mind you, that’s over 20 years ago now…some details got a little fussy - used Hafflinger mares to harvest blood for antibodies or what have you.
Their main job was milk production though, back in the 80s it was a big health food deal…

I mean, if it is in China, all things are possible (as rumors has it they like to beat dogs and break bones to ‘tender the meat up’), but generally speaking, donating blood (in moderation) does not harm even a pregnant mare…

Thanks Laurierace, I was hoping that someone knew how to do the research. I am a tech dinosaur, and can only type and press send.

Smoofox, I was probably at the same sales and the same farms you were at. I learned a lot from those ranchers over the years, good times. I still have one of the horses I bought from Curtis’s. A TB/Belgian cross mare that I showed as “Sugar Frosted”, aka Roany. She jumped so beautifully, just a stunner, never miss style and power that was amazing. But became more drafty with age. So I bred her to my TB stallion (Persian Star), and still ride her 3/4 TB offspring. They also, are stunning jumpers. And less drafty. Curtis’s TB stallion that I really liked was Alyride (son of Alydar) - Roany was not sired by him though. Several of us from BC bought a bunch of those foals, and just about every one of them was fantastic. Our only regret was that we did not BUY THEM ALL when we had the opportunity.