Appreciate any feedback from those of you who know how to read pedigree. Thank you
Oh look, there’s Bask! :lol: Sorry, it’s the Arabian equivalent of Man O’War in TB pedigrees. I know barely enough to be dangerous about Polish lines, but I did sent it to BFF, who is the Obi-Wan. Her current gelding is amazing, phenomenal brain & that great bone, heartgirth, & balance the good Polish horses seem to have. He’s Khemosabe-bred, IIRC, her preference, as are (memory disclaimer) the Crabbet horses.
I probably spelled those wrong, ROFL, sorry.
She, according to the allbreed pedigree, is not pure Polish. I see old American, old English, Crabbet, old and new Egyptian, Davenports, other desert bred imports to the USA as well as the Polish.
You have a lot of Arab racing horses in this pedigree, all the way back to *Naomi 231 (desert bred.) There are race horses of Polish pedigree (especially the GREAT *Sabellina), and race horses of American pedigree (like Kontiki).
I think someone may have made a mistake on the dam line on the All breed pedigree site. They have her dam line as impure Arab crosses.
Sorry I can’t help you more!
Based on her pedigree alone (and one can’t really rely just on pedigree, and if the pedigree site is wrong about her dam line), with good legs, good withers, and decent conformation I would expect an athletic horse with proper training. She has many super tough ancestors way back in her pedigree and the close up ones are athletic too.
I loved Kontiki when I was a kid.
Yes, there is *Bask. *Bask was nowhere near as good a race horse as *Sabellina, Polish Triple Crown winner, mother of another Polish Triple Crown winner, mother of numerous stakes winners in Poland, and her daughters also produced major stakes winners. However *Bask raced for many years and stayed sound.
Your mare has, WAY back in her pedigree, “super” race horses. *Kismet and Maidan were two of the super racing Arabs in India, and a few breeders were trying to perpetuate this blood. *Naomi 230 was bred to both of these stallions. The *Naomi dam line was influential in the EARLY US Arabian races. Huntington brought *Naomi 230, *Naomi’s daughter *Nazli (by Maidan), *Nazli’s son *Nimr (by *Kismet), to the USA in 1888. *Kismet was also imported but unfortunately he died soon after arriving in the US. The *Naomi dam line still exists.
Yes, these horses are way, way back. There are equivalently tough horses way back in the Polish, super race horses, and a lot of the other Polish ancestors, they were survivors of World Wars, famine, battle, theft and so on. Survivors.
Your mare also has, way way back, some of the original Blunt desert breds, including Hagar who carried Lady Anne Blunt, using a side-saddle, through the deserts of the Euphates region. Hagar was one tough mare, VERY tough, but she did not fit into the Crabbet vision so got sold to Lady Dillon who specialized in breeding extremely tough, fast, high jumping Arabians. Lady Dillon’s Arabs, alas, were not as beautiful as those at Crabbet, the horses that the Blunts kept to breed from. These Dillon horses are part of a breeding group called “old English”.
Your mare has a truly august pedigree, with many of the top horses of several breeding groups. However unless she has good legs, withers, and decent conformation pedigree does not mean much. I sincerely hope that she inherited the toughness of Hagar, the speed of *Kismet, the super physical ability and prepotency of *Sabellina and become a marvelous performance mare.
Um, actually with Arabs even bad legged and miserably conformed Arabs can out-perform the more “properly” conformed of the breed (the breed’s little secret.) Almost NONE of the original desert bred horses had “perfect” conformation, “perfect” legs, or even decent withers, backs or croups. But they were TOUGH survivors.
Enjoy her!!!
I enjoyed reading this, as I have an Arab mare with Polish/Russian/Crabbet ancestors–it’s always fun to learn about the history.
Really nice looking racing pedigree. Very athletic looking ancestors 
Looks like daddy races and does/did endurance
VANILLA SHAIKH ('93 c. by Samsheik), 6/41(6-6-4)1-2, $54,372.
http://aerconline.org/rpts/HH.aspx?horseID=32452&horseName=Vanilla%20Shaikh
Grand Dam Carmela Ku
1st Dam: Carmela Ku ('82 by SX Champion), 14(2-2-0)0-1, 2nd Delaware Arabian Cup Distaff. Dam of 13 foals, 8 to race, 7 winners, 2 stakes winners, 1 stakes placed.
Samshielk
http://www.dreamfieldarabianracehorse.com/stallion2.html
Sambor
http://www.arabs-iowa.com/AFH-Sambor.htm
Czort
http://www.winddrinker.se/Czortbild.htm
Thanks so much for the information. I thinks it’s fascinating to learn from where Bhari came. She is a good horse and we are enjoying each other and most importantly trusting one another! That had not always been the case.
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I see old American, old English, Crabbet, old and new Egyptian, Davenports, other desert bred imports to the USA as well as the Polish.[/QUOTE]
I just wanted to say thank you for your great posts! Having bought my first OTTB (eventing) from CANTER MA in 2011, I’ve really enjoyed digging into his pedigree & learning so many amazing new stories, even about household names. He’s turf-bred, his sire was a turf stakes champ in MD, so he has a LOT of really really really great European blood (I like bone & good angles & great brains most of all).
I grew up in the 80s, when the Arabian market was still massive (lived half in SoCal), but only began learning about the awesome that is the Polish Arab when I met BFF about 8 yrs ago (standard COTH disclaimer: not dissing any other kind, LOL!).
I’m from “a good horse is a good horse” line of thought & as a biologist, squarely place responsiblity for most flaws on the human, ha. So many breeds have developed multiple types for multiple niches now. Some great, some…not so much. But I was fascinated when I learned the amazing history of the Polish stud & would LOVE to go to the national auction there someday!
FYI, for now & future readers, CANTER MA & NE at least, occasionally have some VERY nice looking racing Arabs in their trainer listings that this conformation snob would take home in a minute if, you know, they pooped money or paid for their own food!
And if anyone is interested & loves all horse stories a much as I do, I have an ongoing storyboard project with photos of my guy’s family tree here. As I’m not only a geek, but an ADHD geek with mad hyperfocus powers, I’ve found he traces all the way back to ALL THREE Arabians who founded the TB: the Godolphin Arabian, the Darley Arabian, & the Byerley Turk. So many incredible horses who impacted many breeds–and in more than one case, almost didn’t exist long enough to pass on their genes!
Uhhh…13-yr-old horse kid in 36-yr-old tired body ramble…out!
“Oh look, there’s Bask!”
:lol:
My mare has Bask as her great grand-daddy on both sides. The man did get around.
what I love about Arabian pedigree searches is how far back you can go…back, back, back into the desert, with antique sepia photographs of my mare’s great great great great great something or other…and many of them resemble her!
Dished face? Not so much. Looking like a smaller, more balanced Thoroughbred, with flowier mane and tail? Yes.
I noticed your mare’s paternal grand dam traces back to Natez - who was sired by the great Witez II half brother to Bask but because he did not have an extensive career in the show ring - is not as well known. Witez II was a WWII survivor; you can read his amazing story in the book And Miles to Go by Linell Smith.
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I noticed your mare’s paternal grand dam traces back to Natez - who was sired by the great Witez II half brother to Bask but because he did not have an extensive career in the show ring - is not as well known. Witez II was a WWII survivor; you can read his amazing story in the book And Miles to Go by Linell Smith.[/QUOTE]
Thank You!
I loved the book about Witez II and admit I always look for his name in any Arab’s pedigree. He was stunning
Some very good racing lines in there through Samsheik on the top side. Also nice horses on the dam side. Predominantly Polish with dash of domestic and a hint of Egyptian.
