Question when breeding a pony stallion with a horse, how do you ensure that you will get a pony, example 15.2 hh mare and a 12.3 hh pony, will the baby be a large, or will it grow over?
It depends on a number of things, including size behind the sire and dam.
You’ll need to look at the pedigree of both and consider sizes behind them.
If you are looking at Welsh for either sire or dam, keep in mind that for the Section A’s, the upper height limit in the US (I assume you are in the US) is 12.2 hands. In the UK, it is 12 hands, so there is much less potential for size back there. With the Section B Welsh, in the US the upper height limit is 14.2 hands, but in the UK the upper limit is 13.2 hands. The UK bred ponies (ie imports, or offspring of recent imports) tend to not have size hidden back there in the pedigree.
That is not to say that “all” US bred Welsh have hidden size behind them, but some certainly do, so it it is valuable to research the pedigree. Often a stallion owner should be able to give you some idea of the heights behind their stallion.
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M mare seems to not have size in her background as far as I can see, she has Moscow Ballet(15.3) Northern Dancer(15.2), Damascus(unsure), Nijinsky(unsure). I happened to win the stallion incentive program and won a half off breeding to Pajons Royal Illusion a young stallion in canada who is 12.3 and she is 15.2 the mare. The stallion is a Dutch Import so Im thinking he might not have any size in background. I did try to look up sizes on Nijinsky and Damascus but did not find much, I want to say Damasus is small ( I did find that Damascus is supposed to have sound offspring and passes it along! My mare speaks for that was barefoot showing in the pre-greens!)
belle5429, will this be her first foal? If the answer is yes, you have no worries. If not, that cross can result in at 14.2 (and maybe a bit more) depending on the welsh sire in question. Your mare seems to be a safe bet, considering her pedigree.
Yes she is a maiden mare. Just for my knowledge is that normally the case with maiden mares first foal on the smaller side?
Pajon’s Royal Illusion is not a Dutch import, he is Alberta bred. He was bred by Pat Clay of Pajon ponies in Strathmore Alberta. He is a very well bred welsh and I believe his sire was an import. His dam is another pony that Pat Clay bred who turned out to be a lovely jumper but was bigger (13.2), I rode his dam the first summer she was broke and she had a lovely mind and was a nice mover (her sire was also imported). In general Pajon ponies are lovely typey welsh ponies that are extremely competitive on the line, are great jumpers, and excellent movers. Check out her website http://www.pajonponies.com/ if you would like to see pictures of the ponies on his dam’s side.
Yes.
First foals aren’t always small. My 13.3 mare was bred to a 15 hand stallion. Baby was just shy of 14.3. Mare was of unknown breeding so that may have played a part. I have a 15 hand warmblood cross mare that was bred to a 12.3 section B and her baby is now 14.3. The warmblood’s 14.1 dam was bred to the same stallion and the resulting baby at 2 years is 13.2. The warmblood cross’s sire is 16.2 As you can see, some of my babies have been all over the place is size.
First foals are always the smallest. First foals of a repeated cross are too. Not knowing the pedigree will play a huge part of that equation as you said.
I bred the same mare (not a maiden) to Smallwood Paris two times. The first was a top of the line small. Her full sister was a 14.1 large.
Sorry about the mistake about him being an import, his sire I think was the import. That is crazy getting a small and then a large out of your mare from the same sire. I guess it is a gamble!
It is breeding to a crossbred.
My mare was pure welsh (12.2, Section B), the sire was Smallwood Paris (TB x Welsh).
Ok so my mom just figured out Nijinsky was 17hh ahh! This could be a potential problem to aim for a large!! :eek:
His sire was indeed an import from Holland. The dam, as Adelmo said, was born and raised in Alberta, Canada. She’s a larger mare, and her grandsire, Rosedale Royal Flare, and sire, Rosedale El-Senor tend to throw very large. The dam is currently owned by a client of a close friend and they do eventing with her. Tried to show her in the hunters but she was just too hot. She’s a good little jumper.
You would have to wing it and see. The stallion is very young and only has his first foal crop on the ground this year…so it will be quite a few years yet before you’d be able to tell what kind of size he is producing himself on a larger mare.
