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Two pretty deep chips and long spots out of lines.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
I heard there were a lot of rounds that were not the prettiest in the pony jumpers…bad jumping ponies and poor riding by the kids…that’s just what I was told, we were not there.
I wish that the pony jumpers were more popular. I think the lack of interest is one of the reasons that we see so many dangerous riders. If the division was taken more seriously I don’t think you would see it as much. I think it’s great though to have a place for ponies to go that have talent not suitable for the hunter ring.
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And you could do as well at that age? No one is claiming they are “great” riders but there are some good pony jocks in that group. No need to be so nasty, they are just kids.
Findeight did you happen to see Sportster and Maddie Schaefer jump? I’m just curious how they ended so far down in the over fences class.[/QUOTE]
Nope, but know and like the a Pony AND the rider plus her siblings, she’s a kid, it happens. It happens to leading adult Pros too, least she didn’t break a collarbone. Pony Finals is one trip, sudden death, no school over the course. That child had multiple rides that fared better.
But my opinion pales beside those who breed or obtain top quality rides and select kid riders to showcase them. Ms Kurtz was gifted wonderful rides by BP as well as the breeder I spoke to who selected her for a Pony’s sixth lifetime show and collected the tri color. That’s no perching diva there.
For get a life, look in the mirror. Sorry your DD or other relative did not excel or life put you in a place to be critical of very young children’s efforts…whose lifetime dreams went poof that probably cried halfway home.
If you want to place blame try trainers who won’t tell the truth, select suitable mounts or teach proper horsemanship and create false expectations in parent and child for their own personal profit.
But ask me what I really think…
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Nope, but know and like the a Pony AND the rider plus her siblings, she’s a kid, it happens. It happens to leading adult Pros too, least she didn’t break a collarbone. Pony Finals is one trip, sudden death, no school over the course. That child had multiple rides that fared better…[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I am familiar with her accomplishments and she did very well on her other rides. Everyone has a trip like that every so often although perhaps not get a life.
I’m watching the pony jumpers now. Granted, these are the kids who did the best here since they qualified for the individual final, but I haven’t seen anything that has scared me so far. Knock wood. :lol:
There are some game, good-hearted ponies here, that’s for sure.
Fun fact. They just had a pizza party for everybody before the start of this jumper class, and I was told they ordered 750 pizzas! :eek:
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Did anybody see Savannah Unger’s round with Underestimated?[/QUOTE]
She just had one rail in the individual final.
I am not part of the pony - anything scene anymore, but I do not understand why the kids who can afford a lg. junior, sm junior, eq. horse and jumper as soon as they graduate to the horses do not have a pony jumper while still doing the pony hunters
Especially when top junior jumper riders can move quite seamlessly into the 1.45m GP’s. Why not get a head start on perfecting future skills by doing pony jumpers?
This is a serious question — I do not understand the reality of today’s pony world.
I realize it is apples and oranges since England/Europe does not have pony hunters, but the girl who won the Pony Finals at the Aga Kahn cup seemed to be one year away from being competitive in the smaller GP’s. The less financially secure junior riders might become childrens/junior jumper catch riders if they were a step ahead of their peers.
Having a bit of a pony jumper discussion on my FB that’s proved interesting. I watched the first 33 rounds of Rd. 1 Friday… when I left 50% of that class had been eliminated (hence my despairing comment on FB & ensuing discussion). Several (actually lots) of kids hit the dirt, and a whole heck of a lot more pushed themselves back into the tack off the pony’s neck or the standard into which they were getting ready to faceplant. There was a TON of whip being used to make up for either a lack of scope & confidence or a rider’s sloppy approach.
I don’t know if it was the course design, or (as a pro with kids in it pointed out) the horrible warm up area for the Alltech ring, or the fact that these kids rarely get a chance to jump these specs all year, but we are seriously doing it wrong.
Actually, I think this is part of the problem. I saw very few ponies that were truly suited to be out there, there were a lot of round pegs being fit into square holes. There were few truly keen jumpers - which a pony that’s supposed to fix mistakes at 1.10m must be. Just because a pony can’t cut it in the hunters does not mean it can be whipped into being a 1.10m jumper ~ and therein lies the Euro/USA difference. Their kids can go pedal to the metal like this because they’re on real jumper ponies, and we’re trying to do the same thing on hunter rejects. Even at the measly 1.10m height that just doesn’t work.
By the way, I did see some great ponies and some great riders… unfortunately a lot of the time they weren’t on the same team 
But others were really doing it right. The Peralta (Ritter) kid (sorry, blanking name) rode beautifully and smartly. And the Pony Club kids were fabulous and they eventually won, which I called early on, when they were the only round out of the first 4 or 5 to not get eliminated.
Another point of discussion… I think we’re seeing these kids come into the pony jumper ring with hunter trainers, which makes sense because who but hunter trainers would go to pony finals? But I think a lot may boil down to this. Said pro mentioned above was last out of ring in the course walk with his kids, at least 5 more minutes in there than (almost) anyone else. He’s an international GP rider not from the States, and it was his very first pony finals (bless him). He was clearly picking that course apart for his kids, he clearly saw all the traps coming. Have a feeling the rest didn’t give it much more thought than an eq course against the clock, and it showed.
By the time those kids move up to the jr. jumpers and so forth, they’ve usually adjusted to a trainer that specializes in jumpers, but that skill set typically isn’t offered in a pony hunter program.
My DD and I were at PF today. We saw great (hunter ponies) and kids really trying. For DD, it was inspiring. She walked away wearing purple (aack) half chaps and a new crop, rode 3 hours home and wanted to go practice on her pony. I didn’t see the PJ, but agree a reject hunter does not equal a pony jumper. The zone PJ need to step up the courses and it sounds like selection needs to improve.
[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;7706262]
I am not part of the pony - anything scene anymore, but I do not understand why the kids who can afford a lg. junior, sm junior, eq. horse and jumper as soon as they graduate to the horses do not have a pony jumper while still doing the pony hunters
Especially when top junior jumper riders can move quite seamlessly into the 1.45m GP’s. Why not get a head start on perfecting future skills by doing pony jumpers?
This is a serious question — I do not understand the reality of today’s pony world.
I realize it is apples and oranges since England/Europe does not have pony hunters, but the girl who won the Pony Finals at the Aga Kahn cup seemed to be one year away from being competitive in the smaller GP’s. The less financially secure junior riders might become childrens/junior jumper catch riders if they were a step ahead of their peers.[/QUOTE]
If they do have jumpers - they have children’s jumpers, most of the time pony jumpers don’t fill and the payback is better.
This is the first year I’ve gotten to spend more than a weekend at PF and it’s been wonderful. I spent some time Thursday (before competition started) talking to the Pony Club jumper team, and very much enjoyed meeting them. I am so glad they did well. They rode effectively and correctly. There were other good riders there too, but this team just had what was needed to win it this year. In tonight’s individual competition, one of their riders won the gold, and another won the Style Award.
The Pony Club rider who won the individual competition tonight is 10 years old. 10 years old! With a show age of 9! Congrats to her and everybody involved.
Results - Class 45, FAREWELL CLASS Back to Summary
ORDER ENTRY # HORSE NAME RIDER NAME JF1 TF1 AF1 TIME 1 JF2 TF2 AF2 TIME 2 PURCHASE
1 857 FOX CREEK’S CURIOUS GEORGE CHARLIE ORONA 0 0 0 61.093 4 0 4 34.758
2 397 LUCKY STAR SEDONA CHAMBLEE 0 0 0 73.099 4 0 4 34.979
3 597 BLINK OF AN EYE HANNAH DODD 0 0 0 70.251 4 0 4 35.832
4 854 EZ TO SPOT ELIZABETH MONACO 0 0 0 72.850 4 1 5 38.222
5 957 WHEN IN ROME EMILY KARP 0 0 0 67.017 8 0 8 32.456
6 600 SHARING SECRETS CAITLIN PEDERSEN 4 0 4 70.058
7 718 DIEGO MAGDALENE MANN 4 0 4 73.040
8 538 MY SUNDAE BEST CAMERON A. TAGUE 4 0 4 74.684
9 386 OVER THE TOP EMILY SMITH 4 0 4 76.752
10 361 JUST ONE LOOK PRIMA BONAVENTURA 8 0 8 66.612
11 585 LITTLE BUNNY PHOO PHOO ALEXANDRA DISHMAN 8 0 8 72.190
12 553 CAFE MOCHA ALEX GILL 8 0 8 72.639
13 526 SKY MILES HALLIE RUSH 8 3 11 81.614
14 780 MIDNIGHT HEART ISAIAH WISEMAN 16 0 16 70.702
15 617 MAGIC TRICK TORI LANE 4 14 18 92.833
16 331 CARTIER GIGI SPENCE 20 1 21 79.718
17 579 BROADWAY’S PUZZLE PIECE ALLIYAH ANTONIADIS 28 6 34 84.448
18 494 YOU BETCHA ZOE CHANDLER REFUSE
19 906 ICEMAN KIRANA MARKSOHN REFUSE
20 686 HOLLYWOOD SPOTLIGHT TAYLOR ALTHAUS REFUSE
21 464 LOUGHNATOUSA SQUIRE DAISY FENWICK REFUSE
22 502 POINT N SHOOT HELEN JONES REFUSE
23 844 COLORS OF THE WIND CASSANDRA KAZEL REFUSE
24 603 SCIROCCO’S GRACE BREANNA SCHIELDS REFUSE
25 497 HULLABALLO MADELINE KRUGER WITHDR
Results - Class 40, INDIVIDUAL FINAL Back to Summary
ORDER ENTRY # HORSE NAME RIDER NAME JF1 TF1 AF1 TIME 1 JF2 TF2 AF2 TIME 2 PURCHASE
1 629 BLUEBELLE GENEVIEVE MUNSON 0 0 0 81.431 0 0 0 0.000
2 860 MIRACLES HAPPEN MAYA LOVDAL 0 0 0 82.552 1 0 1 0.000
3 828 JET PILOT CARSON RUFF 0 0 0 76.668 2 0 2 0.000
4 451 COOKIES & CREAM CATALINA PERALTA 0 0 0 78.889 3 0 3 0.000
5 659 MONSTARZ SUPERFLY CECILY COORS 0 3 3 86.265
6 720 NORTHWIND’S OPUS JULIANNA EMPIE 4 0 4 71.352
7 530 TANGLED UP IN BLUE EMMA ELLIS 4 0 4 71.766
8 699 UNDERESTIMATED SAVANNAH NICOLE UNGER 4 0 4 78.136
9 719 BLUES TRAVELER ELIZABETH SIMONIAN 4 0 4 78.706
10 921 BLUE MOON MADISON WALDER 4 0 4 79.880
11 493 KOKANEE SYDNEY LUZICKA 8 0 8 66.689
12 602 AS IT FITS HANNAH ROBBINS 8 0 8 71.035
13 608 SUSPICIOUS MINDS EMILY SCHNEBEL 8 0 8 72.710
14 850 AMBER GRACIE ALLEN 8 0 8 72.798
15 435 PAYETTE RACHEL LONG 8 0 8 77.435
16 685 A LOTTA MOXIE CHRISTINA RODRIGUEZ 8 0 8 78.948
17 660 PROVEN THEORY CLAIRE JONES 16 0 16 80.491
18 907 BREAKAWAY MARRAKECH CUNLIFFE REFUSE
19 669 ROCKY OLIVIA BETHKE OFFCRS
Which pony has only done 6 shows? Sorry I may have missed this earlier on in the thread.
Happy to report that after stopping out 2x last night in the triple combination, DD came back tonight for the Farewell Class and she and pony got the job done. They had the first rail down (because DD got a little overeager to the fence), but the rest of the course was quite nice and the combinations were just about perfect. She ended up placing 6th in the class but the fact that she came back and fixed the combinations was all that mattered to her. I am so proud!
Dags…I will agree with you there.
I guess I was thinking of my pony jumper when I wrote that. He is certainly NOT suitable for the hunter ring and really would have a difficult time moving to eventing because of the dressage work. But he has TONS of jumping talent jumps 4’3 to 4’6 course at home and he is 13.1…which is one of the reasons he hasn’t leased or sold yet. The other being that kids are either to scared to ride him (he doesn’t buck or rear and isn’t too strong, but moves a bit “different”)…or they simply can’t ride him.
I just think that ponies like him that clearly have talent and ability should not just get thrown out to pasture…I wish the pony jumpers were more popular!
Class 45, FAREWELL CLASS:
1 857 FOX CREEK’S CURIOUS GEORGE CHARLIE ORONA 0 0 0 61.093 4 0 4 34.758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqpWumRlLo&list=UUZXW8sF0Bi2QmNxVWINF4cw
Incorrect results posted in error
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The Pony Club rider who won the individual competition tonight is 10 years old. 10 years old! With a show age of 9! Congrats to her and everybody involved.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see that Gen has found her niche. How time flies! I remember when she used to struggle with 2’6" at the local schooling shows :yes: She’s a very bright little girl.
