Pony/warmblood crosses?

[rideagoldenpony]

[QUOTE=CDE Driver;5871109]

Hmmm, I HAVE to stay pony, 149cm and below. There is just no way to compete in combined driving with a 14.3 hand horse against a 16.2 hand horse! So, if I breed my 17.2 hand mare to Mardi Gras what are my chances??? ;)[/QUOTE]

Sadly… I think your chances of staying pony size from that cross are NADA! That’s just too big of a mare, unfortunately. Now, if you wanted to produce a small horse (over 15 hands, probably under 16 hands) from the cross, yes, that could happen. But pony size… I just don’t think so.

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=CDE Driver;5871109]

Hmmm, I HAVE to stay pony, 149cm and below. There is just no way to compete in combined driving with a 14.3 hand horse against a 16.2 hand horse! So, if I breed my 17.2 hand mare to Mardi Gras what are my chances??? ;)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, what VirginiaBred, MysticOak and Ride said. You probably won’t stay under that magical number. Mata Hari is 15 hands if she stands on her tiptoes and her feet are long. Her dam, Idealiste, was 14:1 <rolling eyes>…and she was out of a 15 hand mare and by a 16:2 hand stallion <sigh>. So, I had size behind Mati, right??? Bred her to Cabaret, Werigo and Don Principe with the largest of those three foals being 15:3. The Cabaret foal was 15:1 and the Don Principe mare is 15:2 at 3. Grrr… So, rather than tryign to fight it, I bred her to Mardi. Maserati is 14:1 at 5 and I strongly suspect he’s not going to go over. Belafonte is by Hilkens Black Delight and “is” 14:3 at 4. While you can never say never, I suspect you’ll end up with a hony. BUT…Maserati is available <LOL>…

[CDE_Driver]

Just what I feared…hony a word that absolutely sets my teeth on edge!

It bums me out because I really like my mare, like what she brings to the equation and and like her foals…even though both of them are going to be over 16H!

So…any really fancy minis out there??? LOLOL

[mbm]

i am going to breed my lovely WB mare to a Conn next year. I cant wait to see the baby!

have narrowed the stallions down to a few… how to choose!

[JB]

@Perfect Pony;5871025

The WB/pony crosses are all so wonderful, and I have had such a hard time finding one, I might just have a custom breeding done for myself next year using my pony’s dam.

Exciting! What’s the dam’s breeding?

Honestly, I don’t know if it’s just around here, but it really seems like the soundness of the warmbloods is really going downhill. Less then 10% of the warmbloods at my very large boarding barn are sound, even the youngsters. And this is true at other barns I have boarded at. For me the answer is breeding in pony blood. Whatever the problem is, something has to change.

IMVHO, that is a management issue, not a breed issue. It may be a breedING issue, but not breed.

[quicksilverponies]

This is an absolutely gorgeous gelding by my Se. B Welsh stallion Land’s End Adagio (*Carolinas Red Fox, LOM X *Llanarth Rhapsody, LOM) out of a 16.2hh Trakhener mare.

[Sportpony]

I’ve been doing these crosses for a number of years. Most are by Welsh or Connemara stallions and warmblood mares (mostly daughters or grand-daughters of Weltstern) but a few by warmblood stallions out of pony mares.

Have photos of some of the foals and mature ponies up on a photobucket album, hopefully the link will post here.

http://s233.photobucket.com/albums/ee173/sportpony/Sportpony%20foals/

[Perfect_Pony]

@JB;5871330

Exciting! What’s the dam’s breeding?

IMVHO, that is a management issue, not a breed issue. It may be a breedING issue, but not breed.

It is very exciting. The dam is by GunSmoke, and she is an amazing jumper, as well as scoring in the 70s at training level with a child rider. She is my pony’s dam. Probably one of the nicest Connemara mares I have ever seen, and a big reason I bought my pony.

And yes, it is a management issue as well as a breeding issue. I am not blaming the horses at all, I just don’t personally feel that I can in good conscience keep a bigger WB in the type of situation I am forced to keep a horse in around here. I see the toll it takes on them.

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=quicksilverponies;5871331]
This is an absolutely gorgeous gelding by my Se. B Welsh stallion Land’s End Adagio (*Carolinas Red Fox, LOM X *Llanarth Rhapsody, LOM) out of a 16.2hh Trakhener mare.[/QUOTE]

Me LIKEE :D!!!

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=Perfect Pony;5871426]

And yes, it is a management issue as well as a breeding issue. I am not blaming the horses at all, I just don’t personally feel that I can in good conscience keep a bigger WB in the type of situation I am forced to keep a horse in around here. I see the toll it takes on them.[/QUOTE]

I don’t think it’s restricted to just WB’s either. Jos is currently in Cali freezing a really crippled up QH stallion that is having issues getting up on the breeding mount. Horses were not made or meant to be kept in small confinement, especially as youngsters :(. I would almost hazard to say it’s a California issue as there just isn’t sufficient, available land to house all the horses appropriately. I know when I lived out there, there were lots of boarding facilities where a run in shed with a 12 x 12 run was a luxury. That’s a tough way for a young horse to grow up and probably not the most conducive for soundness in later years. But, I suspect people just have to make do with what is available. Tough for everyone though.

[honeylips]

[QUOTE=VirginiaBred;5871082]
Keep in mind that ponies don’t get their permanent measurement card until age six. Warmbloods (crossbreds) grow more slowly and have hidden height. Use caution when selecting a sire to cross with that size mare.[/QUOTE]

Actually Dressage Ponies (USEF Rule book DR134) have to be measured until they are age EIGHT!

[honeylips]

Here is Bella Donna.
She is out of a smaller DeNiro mare, by a 13 hand Weser Ems approved Welsh stallion - Calido G (by the legendary Constantin). Bella is the 3rd repeat of this cross.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x96/melissamulchahey/Bella%20Donna/?action=view&current=BellaDonna.mp4

One of the TOP FEI dressage ponies in Germany is Cinderella. She is out of DeNiro mare as well with Cyriac (another Weser Ems approved Welsh stallion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avq8jsvqmhY

I also tried to buy a super good colt from the The Braes My Mobility out of a Damon Hill mare (who was 15.3 ish). But he had foundation issues that ruled him out for me - but OMG what a mover…

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=honeylips;5871445]
Actually Dressage Ponies (USEF Rule book DR134) have to be measured until they are age EIGHT![/QUOTE]

HOLY MUD IN A BUCKET!!! The things I learn on these boards! Geez…

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=mbm;5871282]
i am going to breed my lovely WB mare to a Conn next year. I cant wait to see the baby!

have narrowed the stallions down to a few… how to choose![/QUOTE]

Post picies :)…Wanna see both…only reasonable!

[honeylips]

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;5871430]
Me LIKEE :D!!![/QUOTE]
me too!!

[honeylips]

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;5871450]
HOLY MUD IN A BUCKET!!! The things I learn on these boards! Geez…[/QUOTE]

Insane but true… I guess ponies doing dressage grow longer than those doing hunters…

My Odie will probably go over height as he is 148cm at 4 years old - so I am purposefully NOT carding him. Plus ponies with pony cards can’t do CDI’s (psg and up) - and I KNOW he is a CDI quality “hony” in the future. So no card for him!

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=honeylips;5871462]
Insane but true… I guess ponies doing dressage grow longer than those doing hunters…

My Odie will probably go over height as he is 148cm at 4 years old - so I am purposefully NOT carding him. Plus ponies with pony cards can’t do CDI’s (psg and up) - and I KNOW he is a CDI quality “hony” in the future. So no card for him![/QUOTE]

Well, I guess in some ways we’re golden in that we don’t have that dilemma with Belafonte<lol>. But geez…

Funny…Jos is right up the road from you right now (Ukiah)! I’ll tell him to wave when he drives back to the airport :D!

[MysticOakRanch]

[QUOTE=Equine Reproduction;5871436]
I would almost hazard to say it’s a California issue as there just isn’t sufficient, available land to house all the horses appropriately.[/QUOTE]

Just to clarify, it isn’t all of California - there are plenty of us in the Central Valley and Foothills that have land. My ranch is 100 acres - my babies grow up with hills, ponds, and room to roam. A friend of mine in CA has 1800 acres, makes my place look like a postage stamp. If you get into Southern CA and the Bay Area, land is a problem, but Kathy, you were out near Eureka (CA) for a while, weren’t you? On a decent sized spread?

It bothers me when people assume all young horses in CA grow up confined. I totally agree, there are many areas here (and in parts of the East Coast and in quite a bit of Europe too) where breeders don’t have enough space for real pasture life. But many of us do have acreage - and you can’t beat our Winters

[Crosiadore]

I have a The Breas My Mobitiy licensed son named Manchester City. Full brother to Manchester United, who was Champion Weser-Ems stallion in 2010. My colt named Manchester City, has perfect foundation and 32 perfect x-rays! He is also a super mover and has the most outstanding temperament. I am SO tempted to show him in the Young Horse Classes as he would be a force to be reckoned with! And My rider is the perfect size (-:

The Braes My Mobility son Mad Max WE, won the Bundeschampionate in the Five Year Old Pony Class this year. And there was another super son that was second at Rastede. These pony move better than many of my warmblood foals…unfortunately (-:

Wanted to add a link to the Family Coldewey’s website.

http://www.gestuet-kastanienhof.com/index.php?id=8

And a link to Manchester United now owned my Sprehe.

http://www.gestuet-kastanienhof.com/index.php?id=60

Have just begun a page for Manchester City.

http://www.crosiadorefarm.com/Crosiadore_farm/Manchester_City.html

I for sure have the “bug” and intend on pursuing it!

[Equine_Reproduction]

[QUOTE=MysticOakRanch;5871655]
Just to clarify, it isn’t all of California - there are plenty of us in the Central Valley and Foothills that have land. My ranch is 100 acres - my babies grow up with hills, ponds, and room to roam. A friend of mine in CA has 1800 acres, makes my place look like a postage stamp. ;/QUOTE]

Yeah, that’s why I said “all” the horses. I probably should have put more emphasis on that.

If you get into Southern CA and the Bay Area, land is a problem, but Kathy, you were out near Eureka (CA) for a while, weren’t you? On a decent sized spread?

Decent sized, and wet <lol>. And of course, having LOTS of money helps the closer you get to the coast.

It bothers me when people assume all young horses in CA grow up confined. I totally agree, there are many areas here (and in parts of the East Coast and in quite a bit of Europe too) where breeders don’t have enough space for real pasture life.

Yeah, I was gonna say, it’s a problem everywhere that there is a high concentration of people.

But many of us do have acreage - and you can’t beat our Winters

Shut up about your winters <lol>. Although OK “does” typically have pleasant winters, springs and falls. Summer this year was awful, but usually it’s only a couple months that are really unpleasant. Hopefully, we’ won’t see another one this hot again in our lifetime!