Poor horse sore from saddle, what do I do to help?

He’s just now 4. Only about 75 days undersaddle. I think the trainer’s saddle is the offending saddle causing the soreness. Honestly I’ve only ridden him about 6 or 7 times in my saddle and that’s over a month and half. I was paranoid about my saddle so kept things really light and easy. But the trainer was riding him a few times a week in her saddle.

Either way, my saddle isn’t a great fit either so I’m working the saddle fitter to find a new one.

Thanks for all the tips! He actually wasn’t showing any signs under saddle in my rides. Learning to be relaxed, rhythmatic and starting to learn to use his back correctly! I will say I always thought he felt a little “stuck” in the canter. Like his canter couldn’t go forward enough, so now I’m excited to see how well he will do with a properly fitted saddle! It’s been a journey already. When I first tried him, he was abnormally fussy with the bit. Even for a baby horse. Turns out he had wolf teeth that were driving him crazy. Then when I bought him, I immediately got his feet together. One hoof was nearly two inches longer than the other! So imbalanced.

So I’m hoping we get him 100% soon. He’s been a very good boy and still making strides.

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Thank you guys for the great suggestions.

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Update: when I checked his back on Sunday after a week of no work, it appeared to me that he was no longer sore.

The plan is to put him on an ulcer preventive supplement (and I grabbed some nexium to try if needed!) And I talked to a chiropractor/vet about coming out. I’m hoping to get someone out in the next week or so, weather pending.

I’m also working with the saddle fitter about finding a saddle that works for both of us. I hope we have some luck!

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Damnit, may have spoke too soon. The trainer said today he was a bit sensitive in his back when she groomed him but then she did some lunge work and afterwards he seemed better. I think that’s fairly typically of back pain though. Hmm. I hope a bodyworker can come soon!

I had a horse who was so sensitive to saddle fit that he developed white hairs in less than a month of three 20min rides a week!

I learned a lot about saddle fit from him over the years.

@RedHorses oh my gosh! Yeah this guy is very sensitive (Chestnut TB.) No marks or rubs but we definitely will carefully look for our next saddle!

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if you adjusted one foot by a true 2" that’s a ton of adjustment throughout the body. What made the farrier decide that 2" of one foot needed to be removed?

I tried every ‘off market’ ulcer prevention in the books over the years, and the only real thing that will cure ulcers is gastroguard / ulcerguard (flame suit on… but science is science). I know people have had some success with other options, but if he has a serious case of ulcers, you will be wasting money on anything else.
A preventative supplement will only help if you have him scoped and there are no ulcers (which even then you could still be dealing with a hindgut issue). I know it is expensive but you end up wasting time and money by trying every cheaper option.
I just don’t want you wasting money on prevention if a cure (or nothing) is what he needs.
Good quality hay and/ or alfalfa will be your best friend if ulcers is the culprit.

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@GraceLikeRain what do you mean? When I bought him, whoever had food him last had left him with two VERY different feet not sure why. The farrier that did him after I bought him did take a lot off the one foot. Perhaps you are right, he does move a lot different…

@ladybugsbw yeah I’m putting him on an ulcer preventive AND treating him with nexium. I know many well only use gastroguard and that is good for them. Even some vets are starting to recommend nexium. I’m working with vets and bodyworkers.

This horse lives it out 24/7 with hay all the time. He gets no grain and a flake of alfalfa in addition to grass hay. He’s in good weight. The only reason I’m doing anything about ulcers is just in case, since back pain can be a symptom. But we know the saddle didn’t really fit so I’m thinking back pain is there forefront of this.

Thank you for your thoughts, I’ll keep them in mind as I work with my vets and bodyworkers this month.

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Two different feet does not inherently mean that one foot should be trimmed to match the other. In a horse who has a club foot, taking two inches off the club foot does not fix the club. All you have done is created a shorter club and thrown off the way a horse has moved for their entire life.

There are some really good farriers on this forum. I’d take photos of the feet along with a video of him walking to and from the camera along with a second video of him walking past the camera. It could have been that change was needed but taking a lot off of one foot on a first visit would make me very nervous. Especially if the horse started displaying discomfort around the shoulders and withers shortly afterward and there was a change in movement.

Example of the photos needed: https://blog.easycareinc.com/good-hoof-photos-are-just-a-click-away/

The Hoof Rehab group on facebook is also a great resource but having the photos above is an expectation before you make your first post.

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@GraceLikeRain his two feet will never match. But the vet who saw him and the trainer who were working with him were horrified by the trim job. The horse was one of a VERY large herd owned by an elderly lady. It was very obviously a very quick job. The one that was much longer was extremely underrun compared to the other one.

Anyways this thread is about the back pain. I agree that the change in trim could be contributing but I am working with vets and bodyworkers so I feel he’ll be in good hands.

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I honestly almost wonder if one foot was simply forgotten during a trim!

But anyways I just wanted advice to help through the back pain. I’m working with vets and massage therapist/chiropractors and a saddle fitter. I think we will get him back to feeling better. Most people find me over paranoid but I’d rather just take this seriously now.

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Back pain is ALWAYS caused by the feet until proven otherwise. It doesn’t sound like you have proven otherwise to me.

@Laurierace even with a saddle that didn’t fit? And why do I need to prove it to you? Why isn’t working with 4 qualified professionals satisfy you? I never said it couldn’t be the feet? Just that we are addressing multiple things. Like a said above to GraceLikeRain it sure could be part of the equation.

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You don’t have to do anything, just telling you my experience. Take it or leave it. For the record, I got my heart horse of a lifetime because he had a sore back for five year despite injections, massage, bute, robaxin etc. Owner finally gave up and donated him to a rescue. We adopted him, fixed his feet and he was fine for the rest of his life.

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And we will absolutely look at the feet as part of the equation. But there is a lot going because he’s only 4 years old, newer to work, was ridden in an ill fitting saddle and yes his feet had a dramatic change. So I want to address multiple things because I feel it all could be apart of it.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying. The problem with the internet is you can read “tone” or intention.

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Regarding feet, “no foot, no horse” is Gospel Truth. If a horse is trimmed to anatomical correctness for that horse then the job is done correctly. Some folks will tell you that some angle is the perfect one for all horses but that’s utter bunk. Ditto for toe length or sole depth or frog size or trim style or anything else. And, of course if you need to protect the trim after it’s done use a shoe or such other device as might be suitable in the circumstances. :wink:

Put another way, as you ride the horse in front of you (not the one in somebody’s book or video or mind’s eye) so, too, do you trim (and, if necessary, shoe) the horse in front of you. This means you not only look at the conformation of the horse but also the environment where the horse will live and the job it will be doing. One size does NOT fit all!!!

Here is a link that is interesting. Dr. Ramey is controversial in some places but this is pretty much straight dope.

https://www.doctorramey.com/a-few-principles-of-trimming-and-shoeing/

You will note that he, in fact, has some very specific numbers. Does this contravene my thoughts, above? No, it does not. His numbers are good guidelines and you would deviate from them if, but ONLY IF, you can demonstrate that the deviation will improve both the performance of the horse and it’s comfort while performing.

Regarding saddles, a good fitter will fit horse, rider, and discipline. If they don’t do all three then they’ve only partly done their job.

This does not require a bespoke saddle for every horse and rider and use. Fit does not need to be perfect, only excellent. Horses change shape as they move, and a saddle that fit’s perfectly while standing still will, by definition, be imperfect as the horse takes their first step. The faster the horse goes, the more it changes shape. So the saddle must not just “fit” in one circumstance it must accommodate these changes. Well engineered saddles do. Cheap ones don’t. The padding system used with the saddle is part and parcel of that “accommodation” but will not remedy truly bad fit.

Horses change shape as they age. A four year old has at least two years to go before they reach their full, physical dimensions. So a saddle that is just right now won’t not be so in two or three years. Riders, too, change as they age. We sometimes forget that part!!! :slight_smile:

A trainer with just one saddle is deficient as a professional. Ditto for a farrier who does just one trim. Or just one type of hoof protection. The Object of the Exercise is to follow the Golden Rule of Equine Husbandry:

You give the horse what it needs, when it needs it, and in appropriate quantity and quality.

It is the needs of the horse that drive a decision, not the philosophy of any given human.

Good luck as you go forward.

G.

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A lot of things have happened with this horse in a few weeks. Drastic change in feet. New tack. Increased workload. Change in living situation. All of these things can cause back pain.

The horse is young. He was not strong to start with. Take it slower. X-ray the feet and keep track of the progress to correct them. Back off on riding and find a better saddle. Teach the horse to long line or something in the meantime. Work on the ground with some stretches and sternal lifts to build the multifidus muscles. Talk to your vet about Robaxin. Or ask about an Assisi loop PEMF device. Hand walk short sessions with an Equicore system and eventually work up to long lining or riding with it. Try the Surefoot balance pads to build his core and let him use the squishiness to find relief in his feet (they will support the sole and he could also stand heel high on them if he wants).

It can take a lot longer to resolve back issues than it took to cause it. Don’t be in a rush. When you do get a good saddle, don’t forget about the benefit of walking. Lots and lots of walking. It’s hard to hurt a horse at the walk. But it is a gait that works the back well if done well.

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Yes check feet but have you considered flexing him again for potential hock soreness? My mare was consistently back sore no matter what I changed. X rays clean on hocks, saddle changed, massage and chiro every 6 weeks for months, back injections, muscle relaxers, equioxx, change in shoeing…always sore but worse on the right, back where the saddle sat but was showing up sore in the shoulders and withers at one point as well. I finally flexed her again and it turns out her tendon sheath in the hock was the culprit and injections solved the issue.

I understand he’s young but he could be having inflammation from the new work load…just a thought.

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