Pregnant or no?

So I got a mare about 2 months back. She is a sweetheart, absolutely perfect, but she came from a hard life before me. She went through at least one auction, more than likely several, before she was picked up by a local horse flipper, who then sold her to a girl who trail rode her over the summer, and finally she came to me.
She came to me underweight but with a bit of a belly. I dewormed her and started her on good grain, and she pretty much immediately gained all her weight well.
However, maybe too well? Her belly is looking very, very round. The rest of her isn’t so round. She went from being a size 44/46 girth to a size 50 in a month.
She was going through the auction pipeline about 8 months ago and now I’m thinking maybe she’s pregnant.
If she was yours; would you buy one of those urine tests, have the vet ultrasound, or wait until we have more signs of a foal in there?

Photos taken about 10 days ago. She’s even a bit more round now, and I’ve cut back feed

She looks like she could be pregnant. At this point, IMO, I’d wait and see. If she is, it will become more obvious in time. If she starts to make a milk bag, you usually have four weeks, roughly, and if that happens, give her a tetanus toxoid shot at that point. In early weeks, an US is useful, and in later stages, the fetus drops below the pelvic arch, and can not be palpated. A vet may make a guess, try to “bounce” the fetus and see if they can feel it bob up and pat them back, but half the time the guess is wrong, and all you get is a bill for the effort. Your mare looks good, healthy, and possibly pregnant. You may be a grandmother next year. Congrats.

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Thank you, this is exactly what I needed to know. I didn’t want to pay a breeding exam fee just for the vet to not be able to tell.

I would get bloodwork done, very reliable until about 2 weeks before foaling. The last thing you want is to wait and wait and wait and then find out it’s an ovarian tumor or cyst.

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I too would have the vet out to confirm via a blood test. If she is pregnant, you can talk with the vet about about how far along, and plan out vaccines, stopping work, etc.

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with a questionable background and history I would invest in an exam and plan of action as others have said. Vet should be able use palpation and US to confirm pregnancy.

Then comes the deworming and vaccine protocol needed to support her and her new condition. Probably a good time to check a fecal to see how your previous deworming did

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I would have the vet out to check for pregnancy. If she is pregnant you don’t want to short her on the food she needs to grow the foal, especially the last trimester. If she isn’t bred you will want to get some weight off pronto .

The problem with the " wait and see" approach is you have no idea when she is due ( if bred) and you run the risk of her not bagging up and coming out to find a foal and no milk to feed with. I’d rather be prepared and know a baby is coming or not.

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I can not imagine doing nothing but waiting to see if a baby pops out.

Call the vet and schedule an appointment.

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Looks in foal. Vets can detect pregnancy at least as early as 14 days, so no worries about having an ultrasound and having them not be sure. Even if they have to do it abdominally.

She needs an exam now. If she’s in foal, her vaccination, deworming, living situation, and nutrition may all need to change. Having a malnourished, sickly surprise foal can be far more costly than a repro exam.

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« You don’t want to pay for the vet not being able to tell » …
You know that it’s their job to tell?

What you don’t want is to malnourish your horse and overwork it.

What you don’t want is a surprise foal you haven’t planned for.

What you don’t want is pay for emergencies you could have prevented, or at least budgeted.

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Any competent Vet will be able to tell if the mare is in foal.

Please don’t wait. Saving a few bucks on a Vet visit now may easily come back to bite you if the mare is in foal.
If she is in foal, there are things you need to pay mind to NOW, if you care that she has a healthy foal and that she comes through the pregnancy well. :no_mouth:

Since the mare has come from such a dubious background, I am puzzled by your being so hesitant to have a Vet look at her. She may easily have a combination of malnourishment and pregnancy.
Since you have no way of knowing her situation, why wait?

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Wow, wasn’t expecting the snark from members here.
I’ve had her two months and she came to me skinny. It’s entirely possible (and truthfully, more probable) she just has a bit of a belly from gaining weight. I’ve rehabbed a lot of horses from bad nutrition and if every horse that gained weight in its stomach first before everywhere else was preggers, there would be a lot of geldings out there with foals by their side.
Also, I’d say if she was in foal she’s 8 months along. I don’t expect to wake up tomorrow morning and find a special surprise in the paddock.
My vet will be here this week for other reasons, but I will get her opinion on if she thinks we should blood test, ultrasound, or just wait to see if the hay belly subsides.

Also, malnourishment? Really? Did you guys look at the picture? She’s getting a bit too nice of fat pads on her rump.

If she’s pregnant, this would be my first foal, so I’d likely bring her to somewhere that has more experience with foaling than I do.

I’m sorry. There was no “snark” intended. You asked , and there is so much that seems unknown about when the mare may have conceived including her nutritional status before she came to you. It was just my opinion that it’s better to be safe than sorry. :thinking:

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I’m glad you are getting your vet to check her out.

From your description, it sounds like the mare was malnourished before you got her. That kind of thing can have long term effects on the health of the foal and pregnancy. At the very least, you should be aware of the potential issues.

Taking her somewhere to be monitored and foal out would be a great idea. There are a ton of things to take into consideration pre and post foaling and having an experienced hand dealing with it all is super helpful.

You can order a urine pregnancy test very inexpensively, please pm me as I may have an extra I can send you! I had some wishful thinking when my mare u/s not in foal this year and we opted not to try again. This let me check without a vet visit.

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Actually, many pregnancies have been missed by some of the most competent repro vets. So much depends on the size of the foal relative to the mare, and where it’s hanging out.

Of all the mal/undernourished horses I’ve seen, most have not developed a belly, not when fed quality forage and a appropriately slow reintroduction to nutrition. They may have gained weight in their midsection first, but that looks different from a “belly”.

What makes you feel it would only be at most 8 months? My mare looked like yours in month 9-10

That’s good that you’re asking. Honestly, I would do bloodwork. It’s not $$, it’s really realiable at this presumed stage of pregnancy, and you’re already paying a farm call.

You’re the one who said she was malnourished. Anyway, a horse can have enough calories and be malnourished, especially when carrying a foal. If she’s in month 8-9, her protein needs are heading into 150% of her normal needs, so if you’re just covering basic non-pregnant needs, then yes, she’s malnourished

Great idea :ok_hand:

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LOL the “snark” was aimed at me, not you! So don’t worry about it.

The question is, what do you need to do differently if she is in foal? Presuming you are feeding adequately for either (and you’re right, she looks great now), and she is a MINIMUM of 8 months in foal and a maximum of 10 months (since she has not yet started to make a noticeable milk bag), basically the only difference in her care is the pre-foaling tetanus shot, one month out from her PRESUMED foaling date. Make sure she is getting enough protein and mineral supplementation in her diet, but don’t over feed her. She could have been given injections to guard her from spontaneous abortion from rhino infections, but she hasn’t had those, and has not aborted (presuming she is in foal) so far, and since she has been moved around quite a bit (auction etc), she may have good resistance already, or else she would have aborted already. She may yet abort, for any of a number of reasons, rhino being only one of those reasons. You could consider vaccinating her now, ask your vet about that, but she will only need one more (the 9 month one) if you decide to do it at all. Since a mare can go over or under her expected foaling date (if you had a date of last cover), this is always an estimate. And a vet can not pin it down any closer than this, at this stage. It will become apparent, if she is pregnant, and yes, she does look like she could be. IF she has something nasty in there, like twins (too late to tell this now), or a tumour, or something that is not a foal, again, there isn’t a lot you can do about it now, other than send her for $20,000 worth of surgery. If your plan is that you are going to send her out to foal, to someone with more experience foaling out mares, this is a good plan, and you can start looking for a good place now, in case she does continue to look like a foal is coming at some point. You would need to send her before she gets too close to foaling, don’t wait until she is leaking milk. But keep in mind that shipping very pregnant mares carries risk too… it is done successfully most of the time.

Many people plough many thousands of dollars to get a mare pregnant, and keep her pregnant, and in an attempt to avoid disaster. Sometimes it is money well spent and a successful birth is the result. Other times, that money is flushed down the toilet, and disaster happens anyway. Other mares (like perhaps yours) get loose with a stallion for one day, come back pregnant from a live cover, and nobody knows, and if they get regular decent feed and mineral access (especially in the later months of the pregnancy) , and produce a perfectly healthy foal by themselves, and raise it well. There is no way to guarantee success, each owner simply does what they feel is right, and what they can afford. But multiple vet visits and vet work now, and attempting now to visualize a foal in utero, or not, at this late date does nothing to help, other than to help to send your vet’s kid through university.

Good luck! She’s a cute mare and sounds like a sweetheart too, I hope it was an acceptable stallion, and that you have success. You will likely love it, and it will be cute, no matter what the stallion may have been, and you will find a use and create value for this little bundle of joy, if it successfully gets born. Let us know what your vet thinks, and when or if you get a foal.

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All vaccinations - core and risk-based - should be given at roughly the 30 day out mark

Yep, a good 2+ weeks so she has time to develop antibodies specific to the foaling location, so they will be in her colostrum

And never, ever skip an IgG test, no matter what. It doesn’t matter how much colostrum the foal drinks, or how good the colostrum is - if HE doesn’t absorb it well enough, he’ll be in trouble.

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