Popping over from hunter-land to get advice from the experts.
What would you expect to pay for the following:
coming 6-yo
gelding
16.2-16.3
KWPN, papered
top dressage stallion and damsire
beautiful mover
gorgeous, head-turning horse
very limited show experience - couple of local shows, scored in high 60’s/low 70’s
Was in training to be a hunter, but really wants to be a dressage horse.
Price range?
Thanks!
$10,000 to $40,000… Sorry, just not enough info provided. Shown at what level? Schooling or rated show? Trained to what level? Flying changes or not? Easy to ride or not? Beautiful mover in hunter standards or dressage standards? In all 3 gaits?
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$10,000 to $40,000… Sorry, just not enough info provided. Shown at what level? Schooling or rated show? Trained to what level? Flying changes or not? Easy to ride or not? Beautiful mover in hunter standards or dressage standards? In all 3 gaits?[/QUOTE]
Schooling first level.
Schooling/local shows only.
Pretty good flying changes - gets them most of the time.
Super easy to ride with great mouth.
Assume great dressage gaits - all three.
What part of the country (assuming US) are you in?
Trying not to give too many details. Assume major metro area with strong dressage presence.
Obviously I don’t know this horse, but if you go on Dressage Daily and look at young horses generally of this description, there are a few that show up in the $50 - $100 range or more. Gaits, brain and breeding. In some cases, also seller’s reputation for quality horses.
So OP - tough question to answer, especially in a market such as you describe.
Good luck!
Assuming he has potential to move up and possibly do FEI, I would say at least $50k (giving or taking some depending on if he is pro ride only, your area, etc).
I agree that depending on what a particular individual’s idea of “beautiful mover” and “top dressage sire and damsire” is, how much potential the horse shows for upper levels, and what/how good the training is, it could really be anywhere from, say, $25-100k.
[QUOTE=Covergirl15;8581757]
Assuming he has potential to move up and possibly do FEI, I would say at least $50k (giving or taking some depending on if he is pro ride only, your area, etc).[/QUOTE]
I just went through this process in Europe and I would say the range would be $35K on the low end to $65K. I top this at that point given that the horse is only schooling 1st level and limited showing. Though having a flying change already would add more weight to the price. If it were schooling/showing higher say 2nd/3rd then definitely higher.
Given the description, I’d probably say $25-40k. Was the horse shown by a professional or amateur?
For an FEI quality horse, ridden by a professional, I’d expect higher than high 60s at a schooling show for 1st level, unless of course the horse spooked, had some major faults, or the judge was very strict.
The issue is that a coming six year old should be a bit further along in the training if you want to get a higher price.
Scores at schooling shows are not very helpful because schooling shows tend to be super high scores.
You would be better served to put the horse in training and have him shown a couple of times at rated shows. If you have a solid second level horse scoring 65-70% at rated shows with a change I would say $30-50K depending on a few things.
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Schooling first level.
Schooling/local shows only.
Pretty good flying changes - gets them most of the time.
Super easy to ride with great mouth.
Assume great dressage gaits - all three.[/QUOTE]
Too little info. Videos moving at liberty and under saddle would be the only way to really pinpoint a price. And, ultimately, a vet check.
My first thought is why you are schooling flying changes on a horse that is schooling first level. To ME, this is a bit of a red flag unless the horse has talent for the changes but can’t do basic lateral work, which I’m not sure I understand.
Agree with MysticOak’s price range. I also think it’s impossible to tell without knowing the bloodlines, the horse, the horse’s attitude and innate talent, gaits and everything else that goes into pricing a horse.
The horse probably has hunter jumper changes.
[QUOTE=Otter;8581583]
Schooling first level.
Schooling/local shows only.
Pretty good flying changes - gets them most of the time.
Super easy to ride with great mouth.
Assume great dressage gaits - all three.[/QUOTE]
I’d like to know what this mean exactly.
That’s really not telling much. I started my mare in the hunter ring then switched her to the jumper ring up to 1m15 (schooling higher) and her changes are just as good as any dressage horse.
It depends what the ‘‘problem’’ is with the flying changes and how this ‘‘problem’’ is worked right now. Flying changes can be re-trained easily but it depends what the problem is and for how long it’s been going on.
If the horse has great gaits and easy, I don’t see why a professional rider couldn’t fix any flying change issues.
From what I have seen, Hunter jumper changes are usually flatter across the ground without jump or collection. Many times they are crooked but clean, or a even a stride late.
I retrained my Preliminary event horse to I1 and the hardest part of that transition was getting him to change within the collection. He liked to do them (they were always clean and straight) from a longer step as if he were jumping a course.
My mom’s horse has a similar description to what you describe, but he has just just a bit more showing under his belt.
6 when we bought him a couple years ago
In the 17h range
Very nice gaits with a good change (although not 100% confirmed)
Very classic Holsteiner breeding
Started life in eventing training but didn’t enjoy jumping
Had 7 scores in the mid 60’s at second level at recognized shows
Completely amateur friendly
Showed talent for the collected work and was completely capable of continuing up the levels.
I think we got him for a steal at just over $30,000. The owners were mostly concerned about finding a great home for him though. I think under slightly different circumstances his price would have been a bit higher.
If this horse wants to be marketed to the dressage crowd, then I suggest a trip to a dressage trainer for evaluation and perhaps training and a few shows.
high 60 low 70 at training / first level at a schooling show, on a horse that supposedly has great blood line and a “beautiful mover” says there is something amiss.
With top lines and beautiful mover ( great gaits 7 or 8 on the score sheet) ) , i would expect consistent 70+ scores at training and first
Just because a horse is a 7 or 8 mover does not mean he’ll score in the 70s. Heck, he could be a 9 mover, but if he’s naughty, the rider goes off course a couple of times, the horse is tight in his back, scores low in submission, etc., he can’t possibly score in the 70s. He may not even make it into the 60s. Gaits are just one of the collective scores and don’t carry the whole test.
which is why I say
“Something amiss”
I would expect more from all those adjectives in the OPs post
if he is not being well presented or if he is a bit of a show nut, then somethings amiss
and while gaits are not the whole test you know darn well they are a big factor.
No one can properly price this horse based on what is written here.
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