Problem with trailer interior lights

Hey everyone, I’m hoping someone has had this same problem and can point me in the right direction. I recently bought my first truck and trailer, a 2012 Hawk Elite and a 2016 Ford F-150 with the trailer tow package. Yay, right???

My problem is is that I can’t get the interior lights, fans, and back up battery to run when it’s hooked up. All the exterior lights work just fine, but nothing on the inside. The trailer has just been inspected and everything checked out, and I took my truck into the dealer and it checks out too. For some reason, the two aren’t talking though. :-(. The most common problem seems to be missing a fuse; however, I’ve checked the manual and the fuse box and have everything labeled for a trailer. The dealer said this was common in older models, but that the new ones have everything in the towing package.

Before i haul the whole hole rig off somewhere to be looked at, has anyone had the same problem and if so, what was the solution? I haven’t had the opportunity to hook the trailer up to another truck yet to see if that works, but I’m hoping to do that tomorrow.

TIA!

My very first thought is that there’s a switch somewhere that’s not ‘on’. On my Logan, each of the exterior lights has a switch, but they won’t work unless a separate switch is flipped.

Past that, hopefully someone has a similar trailer and can point you in the right direction!

-Wendy

Thanks Wendy, I actually thought of that too but don’t see a switch anywhere. There’s a fuse box in the trailer but I think everything looks ok there. My knowledge of this stuff is seriously limited though!

My ford has the same issue with my horse trailer. Its the wiring on the truck, but I’m not an expert with this. I only know as our GM and Dodge can hook up to the trailer and everything works fine, but when I hook my Ford up to it, the interior lights and loading lights won’t work. All other lights/breaks are good, but not the other lights. It does have something to do with the wiring on the Fords - and it can be fixed, but I just cant remember what it is…

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Same issue here and same issue as DiamondJubliee, it’s the wiring on the truck, not having a wire for accessories or something to that effect.

Yep, it’s the truck. Basic trailer wiring let’s your truck share the brakes and tail lights with your trailer. You need something extra to get interior lights. Check the plug on your truck and see if all the pins match the plug on your trailer.

Thanks everyone, the dealer swears I have everything I need and it should be working, but I keep telling them i think I need something additional to Run the interior lights, since that’s not standard on all trailers. It looks like I’m gonna have to bring the trailer into the dealer so they can see everything together. Sounds like something may need to be rewired.

What does your plug on your truck look like? Have you checked the fuse box in your truck?

https://www.etrailer.com/question-35189.html

A lot of the time when they sell new trucks with a tow package the plugs are for cargo trailers which don’t have interior lights.

FWIW, I’ve owned several cargo trailers and they all had interior lights. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one without

To the OP, not meaning to ask a dumb question, but is the ignition on when you’re checking the interior lights? I only ask because we have an F250 & F350. When hooked up to my enclosed snowmobile trailer with either truck, the ignition must be on for the interior lights to work. With our son’s Chevy truck, the ignition could be off and the interior lights would work.

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All trailer wiring I have encountered is pretty basic, not a lot of wires. Which makes it pretty easy to trouble shoot if one has a basic understanding electrical wiring. 12 volt DC or 120 AC.

There are plenty of websites that give a great education information. I am sure there are people who have put up sites explaining how to trouble shoot trailer wiring.

12 volt DC lights are very safe to work with. Most but not all trailer and or truck/car side plugs use a universal wiring pattern. There generally is no dedicated “wire” for interior lights. The “hot” wire, power supply wire for the lights, usually red, is “tapped” spliced to the a “powered” wire coming from the vehicle. It depends on how the manufacture went about things.

The trailer manufacture’s website might give the trailers wiring diagram. Which makes things easier to troubleshoot.

With lights there are only a couple of things that can go wrong. The bulb is blown which is easy to figure out, the switch is bad, that doesn’t usually happen, 1 of the two (or 3 if there is a green ground wire) wires, positive (usually black or red) negative (usually white ) is broken, disconnected somewhere.Or there is a bad, disconnected ground. Some lights have a ground wire (green) some light fixtures are “grounded” to the trailer by the attachment screws or rivets.

Interior lights usually draw their power from the power supply line for the running lights.Some, a lot of trailer running lights are come on when the vehicle is running. Some only when the vehicle’s lights are on. Depends on the manufacture’s wire harness or how it was installed, wired “after market”.

Buying a basic wire test light make/helps figuring things out a lot easier. They can be had for $5-10+ something like this;

http://www.homedepot.com/p/GearWrench-Low-Voltage-Circuit-Tester-2646D/205594354?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|G|0|G-Pro-Services&gclid=Cj0KEQjwzpfHBRC1iIaL78Ol-eIBEiQAdZPVKjmhnGC9FPkDrRphM8gckvJ3KRKFcKt-MsL_Ga3dYTwaAhpF8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

The wire that has the clip on it is the ground, clip it to green ground wire or to non painted metal. Touch the “pointy” end the power wire, red or black. The light in the tester will come on if there is power going to the light housing. If not you have to determine if the problem is with the power supply wire or the ground.

Shouldn’t be hard to trace/follow the wiring back to the where it connects with the all the wires going to the vehicle. Take the tester clip the grounding wire to clean metal or a green ground wire. The pointy end is sharp enough that it can be pushed, pricked through the plastic jacket of the power wire with out having to strip the over coating off. If the test light comes on. There is a bad part of the wire from this point back to the light fixture.

If there is power at the light fixture either the bulbs are blown.or the bulb housing bulb contacts have fatigued and not making contract with the the bottom of the bulb. This can be bent back into shape to make contact.

The above is assuming all of the relevant fuses have been checked. .

The problem may be on the vehicle wiring harness side of things. But if the running lights work, break and turn signal lights work, electric breaks work everything should be in order. But you can use the tester to check. The truck side power, Touching the ground test wire to the round pin and the pointer on the desired “power pin”.

If the vehicle “plug” has a flip up/down cover the wire coding is usually stamped on it. You have to look carefully. The wring diagram that Brian linked to us pretty universal .

This is a very good page that gives a lot of details for various types of trailer wiring.

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-wiring.aspx

I have a 2014 F150 and my lights would not work inside my new trailer. Check your glove compartment for a fuse and switch. That’s where mine were located in a plastic bag. Trailer dealer told me that we were going to have to re wire the truck!

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Hello - the interior lights work off an all time hot wire,

it is the black wire on the trailer located at the 11 o’clock position on the trailer plug ( as long as the switch is on at the light fixture ) ( the yellow aux is not used - if you received a Hawk manual with your trailer the diagram is in there near the back )

on the truck side it is the 1 o’clock position, you need power on the truck side, you will find a blown fuse, missing fuse or relay on your truck or no hot wire in the truck plug, look in your truck owners manual and find and check any fuse related to trailer / tow etc… You can use a 12 volt tester to check the truck plug to know that this is the issue, it is 99.99999 % of the time the issue!

Risa
HappyTrailsTrailers.com
BalancedRideTrailers.com

Before i haul the whole hole rig off somewhere to be looked at, has anyone had the same problem and if so, what was the solution? I haven’t had the opportunity to hook the trailer up to another truck yet to see if that works, but I’m hoping to do that tomorrow.

TIA! [/QUOTE]

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Took the truck and trailer into a trailer service shop and they were able to figure out the problem. My model year truck needed the fuse labeled for a snow plow (relay 102). Who would have ever put that one together??? Thanks for all the advice, it’s definitely an issue on the truck end, figuring out what to look for specifically has been the hard part.

This was my exact scenario too, but with a 2013 F150, and instead of threatening to rewire the truck, the trailer dealer actually found the fuse. Brand new truck with a fuse in a baggy in the glove compartment.

I’m glad the OP has resolved the problem.

FWIW, for posterity’s sake, I had a similar problem with my older GMC Sierra and certain accessory power items working in the trailer. It turns out whoever installed the aftermarket 7 blade electrical plug on the vehicle side (before I had the truck) didn’t connect the black 12v accessory wire for whatever reason. It was wrapped up in electrical tape behind the plug. :eek:

The first place to look, check are the fuses. I assumed the OP had done this. But do not rely on the fuse diagram to be accurate. Sometimes, a lot of times it is not. Found this out the hard way on a hot summer road trip through the South West when my AC stopped working. The compressor quite. Checked what was supposed to be the fuse for it. It was fine, But replaced just in case. I always keep extra fuses around. Wasn’t until I got back east, a LONG HOT drive and decided to go over the hole system before paying someone else to. That I found the correct fuse by taking out each fuse one by one and found the bad one.

“Who would have ever put that one together”

Actually pretty simple as I tried to explain by taking a inexpensive test light and check the truck side plug for power. Either the test light comes on or not.