My vet came out to float my kids and said he thought that this was now in effect. I don’t think my friend had to show anything for a May show. What are the guidelines? Just for out-of-staters?
[QUOTE=CindyCRNA;8702674]
My vet came out to float my kids and said he thought that this was now in effect. I don’t think my friend had to show anything for a May show. What are the guidelines? Just for out-of-staters?[/QUOTE]
maybe someone else can confirm effective date, but here it is?
GR845 Equine Vaccination Rule
- At Federation licensed competitions, horses entering the grounds must be accompanied
by documentation of Equine Influenza Virus and Equine Herpes Virus (Rhinopneumonitis)
vaccinations within six months prior to entering the stables. Horses not
in compliance with this rule may be required to leave the competition grounds upon
request by Competition Management. Documentation should consist of one of the following
methods mentioned below. The frequency of vaccine administration should be
per the vaccine manufacturers’ or veterinarian’s recommendations. It is recommended
that vaccines are administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian. - In the case of vaccines administered by a veterinarian, the exhibitor, upon request
by Competition Management, must provide documentation from the veterinarian on
documenting that the horse in question received the vaccinations; name of the vaccines
and date of vaccine administration. - In the case of vaccines administered by a person other than a veterinarian, the exhibitor,
upon request by Competition Management, must provide a receipt of the vaccine
purchase which is signed by the owner, or agent with care, custody, and control of
the horse; name, serial number and expiration date of the vaccine; and date of vaccine
administration. - In the case of a horse that is unable to receive either of the vaccinations due to a
history of adverse reactions, the exhibitor, upon request by Competition Management,
must provide a letter from the veterinarian on official letterhead stating that the horse
in question cannot be vaccinated due to medical concerns and a log of temperatures
taken twice daily for the seven days prior to entering the competition grounds. These
horses must also have their temperature taken and logged twice daily while on the
competition grounds. The log of temperatures should be provided to the Competition
Management, steward, or technical delegate when requested
https://www.usef.org/documents/drugsMeds/EquineVaccinationRecord.pdf
You’re now always required to have it in hand for any USEF competition (or paperwork from the vet saying that your horse can’t have the vaccine) but the show/ event is not necessarily going to check it (most events are probably not going to unless there’s a local outbreak.)
Basically the USEF can require it, but shows have the option to require it or not. You most likely won’t see it required unless there’s a local outbreak somewhere. But yes, the rule is in effect and you can technically be required to show proof of vaccinations at any rated show.
Also check the omnibus/prize list–it may list the specific form they require. Some competitions will allow you to show the invoice from your vacs but some want the official USEF form.
We have been required to submit it with our entries for dressage shows for several months now. My vet emailed me a form that showed the vaccs which seems to be acceptable to the show managers so far.
My vet thought you could still do your own vaccines but you had to bring the receipt and lot number or insert from the package. So if you plan your yearly in maybe April, it should get you thru show season.
[QUOTE=CindyCRNA;8702797]
My vet thought you could still do your own vaccines but you had to bring the receipt and lot number or insert from the package. So if you plan your yearly in maybe April, it should get you thru show season.[/QUOTE]
That is what the USEF told me in an email. I cut the lot #s/expiration date and pasted it on health records with a copy of the receipt. No one has asked yet, but I have them.
It became effective in February I think. For USDF shows along the east coast, they are requiring you send proof in along with your entry and coggins. My “proof” is an invoice that my vet scrawled out all the vaccines she gave my horse in April. It’s awful, I thought for sure that no one was going to believe that it was real. My vet’s handwriting is sloppy and pretty similar to mine, but she promised me that this invoice was going to be good enough for the USEF. The header on the paper she used has a list of vets that are in the practice, and she circled her name an initialed it. She didn’t even really sign it. If I were a show secretary, I would certainly be suspicious. But I haven’t had any problems.
I’ve had to send it with entries for several events now. It’s not a big deal; I have my horses boostered every six months anyway…now I just make sure to have the vaccination form handy and get it signed by the vet.
[QUOTE=CindyCRNA;8702797]
My vet thought you could still do your own vaccines but you had to bring the receipt and lot number or insert from the package. [/QUOTE]
From what Pennywell posted above (quoted below) it looks pretty straight forward.
[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;8702681]
3. In the case of vaccines administered by a person other than a veterinarian, the exhibitor,
upon request by Competition Management, must provide a receipt of the vaccine
purchase which is signed by the owner, or agent with care, custody, and control of
the horse; name, serial number and expiration date of the vaccine; and date of vaccine
administration.[/QUOTE]
:lol:
I would guess that you are not the only one who uses this vet so they have seen that very same receipt from others.
When I used to check the paperwork of the incoming dogs for my dog trainer it did not take me long to learn what vet offices provided what type of receipt for things.
Proof of Flu/Rhino shots has been required by most events this year.
[QUOTE=Pennywell Bay;8702681]
maybe someone else can confirm effective date, but here it is?
GR845 Equine Vaccination Rule
- At Federation licensed competitions, horses entering the grounds must be accompanied
by documentation of Equine Influenza Virus and Equine Herpes Virus (Rhinopneumonitis)
vaccinations within six months prior to entering the stables. Horses not
in compliance with this rule may be required to leave the competition grounds upon
request by Competition Management. Documentation should consist of one of the following
methods mentioned below. The frequency of vaccine administration should be
per the vaccine manufacturers’ or veterinarian’s recommendations. It is recommended
that vaccines are administered by or under the direction of a veterinarian. - In the case of vaccines administered by a veterinarian, the exhibitor, upon request
by Competition Management, must provide documentation from the veterinarian on
documenting that the horse in question received the vaccinations; name of the vaccines
and date of vaccine administration. - In the case of vaccines administered by a person other than a veterinarian, the exhibitor,
upon request by Competition Management, must provide a receipt of the vaccine
purchase which is signed by the owner, or agent with care, custody, and control of
the horse; name, serial number and expiration date of the vaccine; and date of vaccine
administration. - In the case of a horse that is unable to receive either of the vaccinations due to a
history of adverse reactions, the exhibitor, upon request by Competition Management,
must provide a letter from the veterinarian on official letterhead stating that the horse
in question cannot be vaccinated due to medical concerns and a log of temperatures
taken twice daily for the seven days prior to entering the competition grounds. These
horses must also have their temperature taken and logged twice daily while on the
competition grounds. The log of temperatures should be provided to the Competition
Management, steward, or technical delegate when requested
https://www.usef.org/documents/drugsMeds/EquineVaccinationRecord.pdf[/QUOTE]
Thank you for posting this! I really should have looked it up myself. I always do my own vaccinations but I rather got the impression from my vet that the new rule stated they vaccinations must be done by a veterinarian. So I paid his exorbitant prices to vaccinate the one guy I anticipated showing at a recognized event. Now I’m kicking myself. Grrrr! Great to know you can still do you own shots as long as you include the pertinent info. about the vaccines used. Very helpful.
[QUOTE=FatCatFarm;8703282]
Thank you for posting this! I really should have looked it up myself. I always do my own vaccinations but I rather got the impression from my vet that the new rule stated they vaccinations must be done by a veterinarian. So I paid his exorbitant prices to vaccinate the one guy I anticipated showing at a recognized event. Now I’m kicking myself. Grrrr! Great to know you can still do you own shots as long as you include the pertinent info. about the vaccines used. Very helpful.[/QUOTE]
It does depend on the State. Around here, you need the vet to give Rabies. And if you need health certificates, easier if vet has given the shots. Also if you compete FEI level, I think your vet has to do the recording in your passport. My vet doesn’t charge a ton for vaccinations so I just have them do all of it.
If the vets didn’t charge $17.50 just to poke a needle into your horse (per horse!) plus the mark-up on the vaccines, they’d get a lot more of our business. They are already at your barn for whatever reason and are getting the trip fee, and what else they are there for. I know about having to charge to stay in business but it is quite a stretch for these charges.
And my expertise after 44 yrs of giving my own shots if about par to theirs. I have never had a reaction.
I certainly hope that this rule never swings away from having our personal option.
On top of having to pay for those darn health certificates for travel. It’s not the health certificate I object to it’s the states cracking down on the vets to show proof of a non-issue barn call and the charges racked up with that. I know technically it would seem to have to be done that way. But more states should have the 60-90 days plans. And then every time we do everything right and pay through the nose for it we never see the inspection station even open at the park. But who can afford to gamble with that chance?
[QUOTE=pony grandma;8703436]
If the vets didn’t charge $17.50 just to poke a needle into your horse (per horse!) plus the mark-up on the vaccines, they’d get a lot more of our business. They are already at your barn for whatever reason and are getting the trip fee, and what else they are there for. I know about having to charge to stay in business but it is quite a stretch for these charges.
And my expertise after 44 yrs of giving my own shots if about par to theirs. I have never had a reaction.
I certainly hope that this rule never swings away from having our personal option.[/QUOTE]
I pay them that price for their expertise in dealing with the reaction when it happens. And you never know when that reaction will happen. (Says me who found this out last year on a horse with no reaction history.)
I am in no way against people doing their own vaccines. I am just saying that I have no issues with what my vet charges for their knowledge and experience.
I do like that this rule has an option for horses who can not have vaccines.
[QUOTE=bornfreenowexpensive;8703392]
It does depend on the State. Around here, you need the vet to give Rabies. And if you need health certificates, easier if vet has given the shots. Also if you compete FEI level, I think your vet has to do the recording in your passport. My vet doesn’t charge a ton for vaccinations so I just have them do all of it.[/QUOTE]
I’ve fortunately never had an issue getting a health certificate and honestly no vet has ever required proof of vaccination in order to issue one. This has always been just for issues of transport and not entry into a FEI competition, if that matters.
[QUOTE=pony grandma;8703436]
If the vets didn’t charge $17.50 just to poke a needle into your horse (per horse!) plus the mark-up on the vaccines, they’d get a lot more of our business. They are already at your barn for whatever reason and are getting the trip fee, and what else they are there for. I know about having to charge to stay in business but it is quite a stretch for these charges.
And my expertise after 44 yrs of giving my own shots if about par to theirs. I have never had a reaction.
I certainly hope that this rule never swings away from having our personal option.
On top of having to pay for those darn health certificates for travel. It’s not the health certificate I object to it’s the states cracking down on the vets to show proof of a non-issue barn call and the charges racked up with that. I know technically it would seem to have to be done that way. But more states should have the 60-90 days plans. And then every time we do everything right and pay through the nose for it we never see the inspection station even open at the park. But who can afford to gamble with that chance?[/QUOTE]
This. Maybe not as terrible if you only own one or two horses, but here I presently have 4 horses, a pony and and 6 minis, and it makes no sense to pay my vet to give vaccinations I am quite capable of doing myself. Nothing against veterinarians at all; I too understand the need to make money and the cost of stocking medications; but on the flip side, I’m budgeting to afford everything else horsekeeping requires.
[QUOTE=pony grandma;8703436]
If the vets didn’t charge $17.50 just to poke a needle into your horse (per horse!) plus the mark-up on the vaccines, they’d get a lot more of our business. They are already at your barn for whatever reason and are getting the trip fee, and what else they are there for. I know about having to charge to stay in business but it is quite a stretch for these charges.
And my expertise after 44 yrs of giving my own shots if about par to theirs. I have never had a reaction.
I certainly hope that this rule never swings away from having our personal option.
On top of having to pay for those darn health certificates for travel. It’s not the health certificate I object to it’s the states cracking down on the vets to show proof of a non-issue barn call and the charges racked up with that. I know technically it would seem to have to be done that way. But more states should have the 60-90 days plans. And then every time we do everything right and pay through the nose for it we never see the inspection station even open at the park. But who can afford to gamble with that chance?[/QUOTE]
Yet when our area had an outbreak of EHV-1 from an area show, competitors were not notified by the state. Competitors weren’t notified period. It’s always interesting what the state gets their panties in a wad over!
