I posted this on the Microchip thread but think it needs its own discussion.
Originally Posted by Peggy View Post
Agree that 103.1 doesn’t go far enough. It’s the same for Pre-Green, which bothers me even more.
I just realized that when I did my copy and paste of 103.1, the strikeout and boldface didn’t come through. It reads a bit better with the strikeout parts gone, so interested parties should follow the link I provided back on page 2.
The more I think about the new 103.1 not applying to foreign national competitions EVER no matter the horse’s age and only having an FEI exception, it looks to me as if the foxes are definitely running the henhouse. You could have a grand prix jumper in Germany, albeit not FEI, who is ten and just imported and under the new rule he’s going to be given the whole pre-green/green hunter career. If the USEF is going to do that for imported horses, why not for North American ones as well? Why do US and Canadian and FEI jumpers get dinged and out, but not national horses in any other country?
Also under the changed rule, you could have an advanced event horse who jumps 3* heights but not at 3* competitions and it would still be green.
Did Larry Glefke write this rule?
Here’s the 2013 Rule:
HU103 Green Status - Hunter
- A Green Hunter is a horse of any age in its first or second year of showing in any classes in which the national specifications require horses to jump 3’6" or higher, regardless of whether or not the fences are actually set at 3’6" or higher at Regular Competitions or Eventing Competitions of the Federation or Equine Canada or any national or international competition.
a. When shown in a Green section a horse in its first year of showing over fences 3’6" or higher must be shown as a First Year Green horse.
b. When shown in a Green section a horse in its second year of showing over
fences 3’6" or higher must be shown as a Second Year Green horse. - A horse’s green status is considered to be broken once it competes over fences 3’6" or higher.
- If a competition starts prior to or on November 30th, Green status at the start of the competition is maintained throughout the competition.
Here’s the Proposed new Rule:
HU103 Green Status-Hunter
A Green hunter is a horse of any age in his first or second year of showing in any hunter, jumper, hunter seat equitation or jumping seat equitation classes held at Federation Licensed competitions, Equine Canada competitions and/or FEI competitions in which the specifications require horses to jump 3’6" (1.075m) or higher, regardless of whether or not the fences are actually set at 3’6" ( 1.075m).
Exception: Horses 6 years of age and under competing over fences of 3’6" or higher in jumper classes at FEI competitions will retain eligibilty as green hunters. The green status is the responsibility of the owner.
The rest of the Rule (a, b, 2, 3) is unchanged.
The rationale seems to be that the USEF and the owners shouldn’t have to be bothered with show records of foreign National Competitions for imported horses. Why would the USEF give foreign horses who have competed in National jumping competitions a pass and not give the same pass to US and Canadian and FEI jumpers? Microchips would solve the records access problem.
Here’s the 2013 USEF Pre-Green rule which is the default if there is not a Zone specific rule:
HU106.3
a. A Pre-Green Hunter is a horse of any age in his first or second year of showing over 3’ or 3’3" fences that has never competed over fences of 3’6" (1.07m) or higher. A horse that receives a 1st Year Green Reinstatement may return to Pre-Green if it is otherwise eligible.
b. A horse’s Pre-Green Status is not affected by showing as a three-year-old.
c. Classes may be divided by height section 3’ and 3’3". You may not show in
both height sections at the same competition. Horses may compete in both
height sections within the same competition year.
Here’s the proposed change:
HU106 Regular Hunter-Definition and Classifications*[CHAPTER SUBCHAPTER HU-1 DEFINITIONS AND ELIGIBILITY] change
to read:
- a. A Pre-Green Hunter is a horse of any age in his first or second year of showing over 3’ or 3’3" fences that has never competed over fences of 3’6" (1.07m) or higher. A horse that receives a 1st Year Green Reinstatement may return to Pre-Green if it is otherwise eligible per HU 105.
c. Classes may be divided by height section 3’ and 3’3". You may not show in both height sections at the same competition. Horses may compete in both height sections within the same competition year. A horse may compete in both the Pre-Green and Open sections at the same competition if he is otherwise eligible.
For Pre-Green, there doesn’t seem to be a desire to carve out imports for protection because “never” means “ever anywhere” unless there is a limitation.
IMO, the Green rule is truly evil and is meant to legalize what has been illegal before.
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