proud flesh - panalog and?

[blueribbonpanel]

I came home from a short vacation to see my broodmare with a big cut on her back cannon bone. I think it might have been a few days old. Luckily it wasn’t infected and she isn’t lame on it. It is now starting to develop some proud flesh and I did talk to the vet about it and got some panalog from them. The instructions were to use the panalog only twice a week, (to control the proud flesh) and then use triple antibiotic ointment the rest of the days and keep it wrapped and horse stalled. This is the third week of stall rest, poor thing) To me it doesn’t make sense to use the antibiotic ointment. How will the wound ever heal if its kept moist all the time. How about using vitericin?

Just looking for anyone else who has encountered this situation and what you did.

[candico]

Honestly, the magic fix for my guy was meat tenderizer. I think it has papaya enzymes that take down the proud flesh plus the granular nature almost seems to grate it down as well.

[JB]

Panalog (or cheaper Animax) is intended to be used daily while there is still pf. It’s a steroidal, antibiotic ointment. It doesn’t HAVE to be used daily if it’s just a little bit of pf, but can be while it’s problematic. You want to get it under control asap, so I would (and have) use it daily until there is no more pf, then switch to maybe 2-3 times a week with another abx ointment as needed.

Wounds that are to the point of having pf issues can’t heal well if they are scabby and hard and dry. The point of keeping them softer is to allow those new skin cells somewhere to grow into. As some point you do then let it start to harden off, but at a point where pf is an issue, that isn’t that point.

[blueribbonpanel]

thank you , keep those comments coming. I’ll try to post picture. I am so bummed cuz the horse had such pretty black legs and now this. I should NEVER go away from my farm, and I usually don’t go anywhere ever!!! See what happens when I’m gone…

What kind of ointment does anyone suggest besides the creamy triple antibiotic ointment.

[Heart_s_Journey]

A friend has developed a fantastic ointment for proud flesh, thrush, pthyosis, and other ailments. check out her website, Denise’s All Heal Salve. she will also discuss treatment with you. She changes the ingredients depending on what the issue is. This really is a great salve and your horse can eat it and so can you to remove toxins.

[shezabrazenmare]

Yes, meat tenderizer and oh what is the other ingredient? Mixed together and applied, it gets rid of proud flesh in a few days. I learned that at the feed store years ago. The quarter horse people who shopped at that feed store had all the great remedies for horse problems.

oh yes, a cheap antibiotic ointment is the 2nd ingredient because it sticks to the wound and keeps the meat tenderizer on the wound and keeps it all soft till healed.

[Hej]

Preparation H also works well to eliminate proud flesh.

(I learned this from a friend who worked for many years in KY on a TB breeding farm.)

[eclipse]

When I was healing up a nasty wound my vet had me keep it wrapped and dry, no creams until it was almost completely healed and he would come every 2 weeks to basically shave off the proud flesh. It healed fast and just has a scar, which while noticeable, is ok for the amount of flesh that was “removed”! Sometimes I think, we want to do too much to cuts when less is best and keeping it dry, clean and compressed helps the most!
When most of the wound was healed and proud flesh wasn’t too much of an issue, we went to a green wound cream which was made by the vet (he won’t disclose his secret LOL)and had panalogue in it among other things LOL

edited to add: the bandages that kept his wound clean and “dry” did not stop the good exudate talked about in Ghazzus link below!

[Ghazzu]

Dr. Dean Hendrikson has a good piece on wound healing.

You want to keep it moist–the migrating epithelial cells will thank you.

Unless there is considerable proud flesh, eschew any of the caustic suggestions above.
(and even then, a #10 blade is better than burning healing tissue.)

[Jo]

[QUOTE=blueribbonpanel;8686219]
thank you , keep those comments coming. I’ll try to post picture. I am so bummed cuz the horse had such pretty black legs and now this. [/QUOTE]

I have some seriously disgusting pictures of some really, really bad proud flesh and how awesome it looked after it healed - thanks to Panalog. Let me know if you’d like them and I can E-mail them to you.

[eclipse]

I too have some fairly gross pictures if you would like them!

[Quelah]

I’ve used panalog alternating with granules to good effect. Do NOT get the wound wet once it’s clean to begin with, keep it wrapped, and just wipe it off when re wrapping with a dry piece of gauze. You may at some point (hopefully not) have to have vet trim it down if the proud flesh has gotten away.

[Simkie]

[QUOTE=shezabrazenmare;8686244]
Yes, meat tenderizer and oh what is the other ingredient? Mixed together and applied, it gets rid of proud flesh in a few days. I learned that at the feed store years ago. The quarter horse people who shopped at that feed store had all the great remedies for horse problems.

oh yes, a cheap antibiotic ointment is the 2nd ingredient because it sticks to the wound and keeps the meat tenderizer on the wound and keeps it all soft till healed.[/QUOTE]

No kidding–this works GREAT. After we moved here, poor Piggy had some proud flesh from a wound that he’d gotten a few weeks before…I’d been managing it and it was doing well, but the move and resulting chaos upset the schedule and by the time I got back to it, it was kinda ugly. Not quite plum but bigger than grape.

Didn’t have a vet yet, but really figured it was going to need to be debrided. Threw on some meat tenderizer mixed with KY (hey, it’s what I had available!) and wrapped. Redid the wrap every other day. Figured I’d give it a week and try to figure out who to call about it in that time. Damned if it wasn’t PERFECT at the end of the week. Healed beautifully.