PS of Sweden High Jump --- CRAZY fit issues

[Lord_Helpus]

I was so excited to get this bridle. Came yesterday and the piece that goes under the jaw is EIGHT inches too short.

And the flash piece is huge – I need to make a hole 2" farther back and cut off the end.

The cheek pieces fit pretty well – 2 holes from the top on each side, so this is the correct size (full) for my horse.

But to be 8" too short is whackadoodle.

Has anyone else had to send their bridle back because the fit is totally wrong? I do not want to pay for shipping because it is so wrong…

PS: If someone can give me the name of the person who answers emails promptly, I would appreciate it.

[MsRidiculous]

photos?

You can slide the noseband pieces around quite a bit on that model to change the fit.

[Parrotnutz]

Do you know if you are doing the noseband correctly? Email them……I have always gotten very quick responses from them on questions. I have dressage bridles and had no problems with fit but have found them very responsive to all my questions on what to buy before and after.

[Lord_Helpus]

Th![](s is what the bridle is supposed to look like.

http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/high-jump-revolution.html

This is a picture of the nose piece of the bridle. You can see the D ring which the snap is supposed to snap into.
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%201_zpssucifpww.jpg

This is the snap portion under the chin. The nose piece portion is so far away that I could not get the 2 in the same picture.
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%202_zpse9yiuz4l.jpg

This is taken from the other side, showing how the “under the chin” strap is set up. This is how it came and I tried to find another way to lengthen it, but the way you see it is the only way to is meant to work.[IMG]http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%203_zpsip2c8dgq.jpg)

And this is the cheekpiece strap which goes through the noseband and then turns into the flash. The buckle has been put on wrong side up so the strap needs to turn around 180 degrees so the buckle can be buckled under the chin. You can see the tail end of the flash hanging down when it is on the tightest hole. And it is still not tight enough to be effective.
[IMG]http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%20last_zpsjf2gkcth.jpg)

[beowulf]

I would send pictures to their CS… I’m thinking it may not be the right size for him but it does seem weird to see such a drastic short-coming on the noseband strap. I would take a measurement of the noseband/jowl-piece strap (that is too short) and would be asking them what the technical information/measurements are for each piece on a FS set up. They should have that on file - compare what you have to yours.

Sometimes parts just get mixed up during assembly - it may be that the part that is too short is supposed to be on a cob…

How thick is your horse’s muzzle? Does he have thicker jowls?

[MsRidiculous]

Tough to tell for sure from the angle of those photos, but this one in particular:
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%20last_zpsjf2gkcth.jpg

tells me that you need to move the top flat nosepiece WAY down on the rolled leather pieces on each side. The flat nosepiece should be roughly in the middle of the curve of the rolled leather, and yours is way at the top. Once you do that it should put the cheekpieces much closer to the correct spot, and your flash will not seem so long. It also looks like you have lots of holes on the underside of the top nosepiece where you can loosen it more. You may need to manipulate/shape those rolled pieces to get them to sit how they should.

Here is a photo of mine on my horse, for an example. You can see where the flat nosepiece sits in the middle the rolled leather parts (which are curved). https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10849856_10154881711785641_1423782575695350207_n.jpg?oh=541024f6401f94d0e2144f5493ea1247&oe=570FFE9B

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/v/t1.0-9/10847864_10154881711980641_5085921388546031913_n.jpg?oh=fb7d0a0e6c68a2a103399fb6d188a4e5&oe=57193229

Just looks like you need to play with it a bit.

[pacific_jumper]

I’m sorry to hijack… I was just wondering why these bridles don’t have a throat latch. I really like them, but after having a bridle come off my horse because her throat latch was too loose, not sure if i’d ever buy one

[Lord_Helpus]

Thank you MsR. I will try that. I can see how it would solve some problems, but the under-the-jaw piece is so short. I just measured the piece and it is 10 3/4" from D ring to D ring on the loosest hole.

I will try it on him again. I certainly want to make the bridle work; I love it.

Did you leave the cradle part on, or cut it out? Do/did you find it made a difference?

[MsRidiculous]

A throatlatch really isn’t going to do much for you unless it’s too tight, but they do sell throatlatch attachments if you want/need one. I have one for my dressage bridle to make it show legal (still silly to me that a throatlatch is required for dressage).

[HappyTalk]

How is this different from a Micklem? Looks like the same basic design.

[luvdogz72]

for that price - they surely will cover your issues.

LOVE that bridle!

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=HappyTalk;8454129]
How is this different from a Micklem? Looks like the same basic design.[/QUOTE]

I think a Micklem fits quite differently - much more pressure across the bridge of the nose and poll once the bridle is tightened - the anchor point (most amount of pressure) of a Micklem seems to be right across their nose/muzzle. In a standard bridle the anchor point is the poll.

[MsRidiculous]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8454123]
Thank you MsR. I will try that. I can see how it would solve some problems, but the under-the-jaw piece is so short. I just measured the piece and it is 10 3/4" from D ring to D ring on the loosest hole.

I will try it on him again. I certainly want to make the bridle work; I love it.

Did you leave the cradle part on, or cut it out? Do/did you find it made a difference?[/QUOTE]

I left the elastic cradles in one of my bridles and took the others out (took them out of my Flying Change and my Olympic). I couldn’t tell a difference personally.

I think if you can get the bottom and side pieces manipulated as they should be, then 10 3/4" should be more than enough for the bottom piece, especially with the snap giving you a couple more inches. Mine was probably about 7" long from dee to dee once it was adjusted correctly, on a normal sized TB.

Get the top part of the noseband adjusted first. Move that flat nosepiece waaaaay down on each side (2-3" looks like to me) and curve your rolled pieces so they sit as they should. Then the bottom should fit normally.

FWIW you’re not the first person who’s had issues getting the fit right out of the box. I’ve talked several people through it and once they got it set up correctly they all fit fine. When in doubt, refer back to the photos. If you compare your photos to mine (or the stock photos) you can see a huge difference in the shape of the rolled pieces and the placement of the nosepiece.

[Huntin_Pony]

I’ve never seen one of these bridles, but I do observe that the flat part of the cavesson assembly is behind the horses’ cheekbones and the cheek pieces in the manufacturer’s photo and MsR’s. The photo of your horse shows them above the cheekbones and the cheek pieces. MsR’s suggestion makes sense if I understand it correctly.

Good luck!

[ynl063w]

It looks to me like you’ve got the fancy stitched part of the nose piece (I think that’s what you are calling the cheek pieces?) in the wrong position. Look where yours are compared to the horse on the website. Can you just pull up the picture from the web site when you are with the horse and put the parts on your horse the same as where they are on the model horse? That’s what I would do anyway. The length of the piece that you measured seems very reasonable when you look at pictures of the bridle fitted properly on a horse.

[riopony]

My friend has one of these as does our trainer. She didn’t have any fit issues but I agree with Ms. R that you need to move the nose piece down and curve your rolled pieces. It looks like it should work if you do that! They are very pretty bridles so good luck!

[yourcolorfuladdictio]

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8453810]
Th![](s is what the bridle is supposed to look like.

http://www.psofsweden.com/en/for-the-horse/bridle/high-jump-revolution.html

This is a picture of the nose piece of the bridle. You can see the D ring which the snap is supposed to snap into.
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%201_zpssucifpww.jpg

This is the snap portion under the chin. The nose piece portion is so far away that I could not get the 2 in the same picture.
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%202_zpse9yiuz4l.jpg

This is taken from the other side, showing how the “under the chin” strap is set up. This is how it came and I tried to find another way to lengthen it, but the way you see it is the only way to is meant to work.[IMG]http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%203_zpsip2c8dgq.jpg)

And this is the cheekpiece strap which goes through the noseband and then turns into the flash. The buckle has been put on wrong side up so the strap needs to turn around 180 degrees so the buckle can be buckled under the chin. You can see the tail end of the flash hanging down when it is on the tightest hole. And it is still not tight enough to be effective.
[IMG]http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Bridle%20last_zpsjf2gkcth.jpg)[/QUOTE]

Fasten the bridle noseband first and you will never have this issue again. The flash is the end point of the excess leather on that bridle.

[Lord_Helpus]

THANK YOU all. I followed your instructions and the bridle now “fits”. However, to get the ‘under the jaw’ strap fastened, the ‘noseband’ had to be SO low on his nose that it tightens over the soft cartilage and might restrict breathing. It definitely has to sit lower than it does in the picture.

To say nothing of it looking really ugly.

Perhaps I have just gotten used to nosebands which sit up near the cheekbone. I am not sure I can get used to this low fit look, so I might send it back anyway.

Before I do I will post a picture so you all can tell me if this is really the way it is supposed to fit.

[monstrpony]

You may have figured this out already, but it looks to me that there are two billets coming off the crown piece. the one toward the face should be buckled to the pieces that hold the bit, and the one toward the throat, to the noseband. I looks to me like you have them backwards. The noseband piece has to sit below the bit hanger (opposite of a traditional bridle).

[Lord_Helpus]

Thanks to the great advice I have received on this thread (and lots of fiddling on my part because I am not so smart) the bridle works and looks great!!!

I am so glad I started this thread instead of sending it back.

Here is Waldo in his fancy new bridle.
http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp25/PeteyPuppy/Waldo%20bridle%201_zpsq1yv6gnx.jpg