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Not sure if anyone has mentioned Maryalice Matheson…great woman and beautiful Cleveland Bay breeder: http://www.bowlerhillfarm.com/[/QUOTE]
I don’t understand why she apparently gelds these horses if they are so rare?
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And after the fiasco with aspenlucas the Cother, is she still in business and no I’d not go there.[/QUOTE]
Glad that you saw this whole drama… Stay away
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I don’t understand why she apparently gelds these horses if they are so rare?[/QUOTE]
They are not all of enough quality to be breeding stallions. Horse has to be inspected for his physical attributes meeting breed standard, more than one time. He needs a breeding licence in the breed. Then his foals are assessed for quality to get his Quality Approval rating as an excellent breeding stallion. All ths takes time, expenses for Inspectors visiting him.
And of course owner has to live with young stallion, teach him manners so colt grows into a nice horse with age. Many do not want a stallion around, not set up for stallions. Geldings are much easier to live with as they grow and easier to sell.
I like that the CBHS has high standards for the Pures stallions used for breeding. It has kept the quality and size of the horses from deteriorating over time. Especially important with bone size. Once you lose it in a breed, it seems impossible to get back without outcrossing. The CBs have been used in many breeds to build or improve them over the years. Their bone type is different than draft bone, same with their hooves. They are made to move at speed. The breed is available to be used again for improving bone, quality, size, if needed in the future.
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Goodhors is right. The breeders of CBs like the european breeders of warmbloods geld those colts who are not stallion material.
I just wish that there were more CBs available for sale. The aforementioned breeder who retired only has one mare left and has leased her out for the breeding season. I wish she’d sell her to me as she is a hunt horse as well.
I wish European breeders routinely gelded the lesser quality stallions but generally they remain studs who simply don’t breed. Americans are thankfully way more into gelding (and neutering dogs) than pretty much everyone else in the world.
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The USA Gov’t. listed CBs as Drafts when they were called draught (pronounced draft) horses, because of their common Driving uses. Pulling loads is draught work in the UK. NOT because CBs were heavy plow horses in the UK. Mix up of same sounding words.[/QUOTE]
Draft and Draught are just alternate spellings of the same word- just like Plow and Plough. NOT different words.
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Draft and Draught are just alternate spellings of the same word- just like Plow and Plough. NOT different words.[/QUOTE]
Actually, used with horses driving, they do mean different things.
I may have missed this, but is Marilyn Webster, owner of Idlehour Farm in PA still around? She stood several pure CB stallions, Ramblers Renown and ? Lionheart? I too wanted a Clevie, although I really did want a part bred. I spent a weekend at Marilyn’s riding everything she had, but that was probably 10 years ago. I think she had several pure mares/fillies back then. I did not want a mare.
Another good CB person is Marcia Brody, owns Carriages of the Capital in DC. She is very active in the CB world. She’s on FB, but pm me if you can’t find her and I’ll give you her email address.
Most of Marilyn’ s stock, including young horses and at least one part bred gorgeous stallion went through the Virginia sport horse sale years ago.
Most of Marilyn’ s stock, including young horses and at least one part bred gorgeous stallion went through the Virginia sport horse sale years ago.
Marilyn Webster was nice and returned my email. But she is down to one horse, a purebred CB mare, who is being leased out for a year. I missed out on her sale of her horses a while back. I wasn’t ready to buy a few years ago.
Thanks for all the information. If anyone else knows anyone who wants to sell a purebred CB mare, please let me know.
Fox Wood Farm, could you PM me the info on the other breeder? Thank you.
I’m not sure if she could give you any more information than you’ve gotten here, but you might contact Michelle Barr at Right Lead Equestrian Center in Louisiana. She has a part-bred mare and her yearling(?) colt and loves the breed. I believe she’s done some breed representation at Breyerfest and other such events (if I remember correctly). She may know some more breeders in the US/North America you could contact.
OP, there used to be a breeder local to me that allegedly breeds purebred CB’s. I only say allegedly because I don’t know much about her so I can’t vouch for her. Let me know if you want me to look up her info.
Thanks ACE! I emailed her. Not sure a 2 yr old will be good for me but maybe she’s been backed.
Be careful on the links for the above reference – when I was clicking through to look at some of the horses on the farm website I got a bad browser hijack. Beware!
Around 2008, I stumbled upon a breeder named Marcia in Middletown, MD. She had an assortment of partbreds and a few purebreds. None fit my needs, but it might be worth finding out if she is still in business.
Don’t know where you are located but I was “window shopping” on Craigslist last night and I found this.
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Be careful on the links for the above reference – when I was clicking through to look at some of the horses on the farm website I got a bad browser hijack. Beware![/QUOTE]
Yes happened to me also. On my brand new laptop. But I shut it down and it’s now OK, whew!
3/4 CB mare in Pacific Northwest. If she was purebred, I’d look. (I’m on east coast and was hoping to find a purebred mare on the east coast from PA or so down to Florida. Virginia seems to have had some CB mares but most have been sold.
I really do not want to import from the UK without seeing a mare first.
Thanks for all the tips. If anyone finds me a purebred CB mare and I buy her, I’ll reward you with a finder’s fee.
As a CB part-bred owner (both home-breds/2 generations) for the past 21 years and an admirer for nearly 30, all I can say is once you go Cleevie, you’ll never go back!!
Love my girls!
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