Purina Senior vs. Triple Crown Senior vs. Other Senior Feed

So here is the sitch:

I live in Canada. My old boy needs a complete senior feed that has full forage requirement among other nutrients built in. (He doesnt eat hay well, wont eat cubes, and will only eat pellets if enough beet pulp is soaked in with it - we feed molasses free pulp). Coming across Purina USA Senior and Triple Crown USA Senior online it looks as though they are my answer… protein level 14%, complete feed, fibre forage replacement values, low nsc values.

For an old horse needing this diet that is prone to ulcers I wanted to see who else has had this feed requirement for their horses. I should mention my urgency for making a decision because we are going into this winter with a BCS of about 2. Scary! So making sure this feed purchase is apprpriate is really important.

Are there any compatible brands in BC Canada? Hoffmans? Lifeline?

Triple Crown and Purina sound great… however going across the border for them is pricy when factoring # of bags needed a month (8 for purina, omg!!!), then paying the duties, canadian taxes importing it, and the exchange rate per bag.

I am waiting for a call back from a nutritionist at otter coop for their lifeline feed info. I wanted to see what everyone else has been doing!

Would love to hear from you :slight_smile:

Thanks All

TC Sr hands down. Lower NSC, higher digestive support

I don’t know what’s available up there that’s comparable though.

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Too bad ProElite isn’t available in Canada. Have no idea if there are plans to expand in that direction. It is a great feed and comparable to Triple Crown. The American Purina Equine Senior only has 5.5% fat, where the ProElite has 10%. Not sure about the Triple Crown.

I believe Purina Canada is completely separate from the US Purina - so I know nothing about their Evolution Senior.

https://equipurina.ca/en/products/lines/evolution/senior/

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Here are some links:

https://hoffmanshorseproducts.com/Products

Looking at the Hoffman site, nothing looks to be a complete feed–they’re all designed to be fed with hay.

https://www.otterco-op.crs/sites/otter/local/detail/lifeline-horse-feeds

Lifeline senior is at least designed to be fed as a sole ration, so it has potential, but there’s so little info available.

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹What else do you have access to?

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@Simkie thank you for those links. The equine nutritionist is speaking with me on Monday regarding their Otter Co-op senior feed so I will find out more about it then. I have a feeling their nsc level is above ‘low’ range… this company is the only brand our local feed store carries. The next closest is 2 hours away but I am willing to drive.

The other feed brands a couple of hours around me are Masterfeeds, Trouw step right nutrition canada, Brooks Feeds and Nutrena to name a few.

Looking at the Nutrena site their senior products look interesting but I am having a hard time decifering if any of them are healthy enough to feed. At least they are ‘forage replacement’ so that is step in the right direction!

With a BCS of 2, I’d be making my mind up pretty quick as to whether or not a product was “healthy enough to feed.”

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@Palm Beach Thank you for your post. I am doing my very best to get ahold of an appropriate feed for him. He does have free access to hay, 5 acres of lush pasture, and 3x daily of soaked hay pellets and beet pulp with top dressing of vitamins, rice bran, oil, and pre/probiotics.

Due to ulcers, the appropriate healthy feed is in regards to lower starches/sugars/grains for hind gut health. He is healed from his bout of them but we are managing a preventative care stance. I hope to source a canadian brand that fits the bill this week.

With his very warm blanketing and barn with his pals and now hopefully an edition of forage-grain senior feed supplementation to be absolutely sure he is reaching those forage requirements, I am hopeful he will bounce up in weight.

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it is, Purina Canada (as well as all operations outside of the US) is owned by Cargill
Purina (livestock feeds) US is owned by Land of the Lakes

they are separate companies. The use the logo for both are used under a licencing agreement, the trademarks are currently owned by Nestle Purina PetCare

the umbrella of the Logo makes it appears all three to be one company, which it is not

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If he has access to lush pasture how did he get to a BCS of 2? Are there other health factors involved?

Why doesn’t he eat hay well? (How old is this guy?)

Not that you shouldn’t still identify the appropriate senior feed option, but I am confused as to why his BCS is so low now.

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OP, I have dealt with a lot of seniors as my family has done mostly retirement board for decades. At this point, just get calories in the horse any way you can. Make sure fiber is involved since he clearly can’t eat forage well. If you can’t get a senior feed, get something delicious and mix it with your beet pulp in the meantime. Stop worrying about ulcers so much, this horse has way bigger concerns. Keep him on an ulcer med and preventative but feed the horse whatever he will eat. Have the vet check his teeth to make sure one isn’t rotten or wiggly, even if this was done recently. Many oldsters need 6 month teeth checks.

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Are you sure he’s a body scale of 2?

That’s pretty severe, what is he eating now? Is he on pasture? Many seniors need grain or senior feed year round despite good pasture. How did he get to a scale 2? Has he seen a vet and had bloodwork done and his teeth?

At this point I’d be feeding him whatever he’d eat senior related that is available to you and stop worry about what’s “healthy” or looking at NSC levels or waiting on nutritionists. This horse has a much more severe issue than ulcers, and getting his weight up is going to go a long way to gut health.

It’s an enormous pet peeve of mine when people suggest feeds that aren’t available locally to the poster. Triple Crown is great, but if it’s not local it doesn’t really matter.

This is not correct. The livestock portion of the business is not affiliated with the pet care and has not been since livestock was sold off years ago. There is an arrangement with the trademarks over use but that’s it. Nestle doesn’t own the brand for livestock feed. I don’t know about the organization of the livestock brand in Canada.

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OP, do you know which Nutrena products you have access to? They have a lot.

Have you looked into Masterfeeds senior? I was looking to get a different Masterfeeds feed, and I couldn’t get it here local to me in the states. But maybe look into this: https://www.masterfeeds.com/nutrition/senior-pellet/

Dr. Getty has a wealth of equine nutrition information that may help you: http://www.gettyequinenutrition.com/

One of the feeds she advocates is Crypto Aero. It’s not a complete feed but certainly one to consider as a supplement feed. www.chewey.com is the online retailer and they ship free for orders over $50. BUT they don’t ship to Canada.

However I’m also looking at Platinum Performance – Platinum Performance CJ for feed supplemented with Healthy Weight for omega 3 fatty acids. It is available in Canda:
”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹https://www.platinumperformance.com/international/canada

Thank you all for your concerns, advice, and thoughts! It is very helpful. My vet (x3) and I have had many conversations and visits and it has taken a long time to get straight how we can pick him up to better health once again.

to answer all of your questions :

@enjoytheride He may not be quite a 2, maybe a 3 but not higher. He is 27 y/o standardbred. He just doesnt seem to thrive on pasture and hay alone anymore. A catabolic state caused from the stress of aging (not feeling like yourself, aches and pains) plus weight loss from the cortisol produced from aging (which sets off the catabolic state) plays into that.This state burns fat fast then takes muscle with it quickly unfotunately. The metabolism gets kicked into high drive and it is a tough cycle to break once it starts… Read below for further details.

His teeth are not too bad, none missing, no waves, a couple have ground down to their final stage but most some still in use. I cant really figure what his disinterest is in hay, ive tried many different farms.

Yes, he does also have some physical health decline playing into his weight loss over the past 2 years (and this chronic cortisol as i have been informed) most of which occured right when his friend left and then again over our last winter when he needed ulcer treatment.

  • chronic advanced arthritis (being managed since diagnoses now)
  • a grade 4 out of 6 heart murmur
  • recent severe ulcer history
  • moderate chronic inflamation of the small intestine discovered during a stomach scope for ulcers. We took a biopsy and found generalized inflamation only which ruled out cancer there or IBD.
  • depression, refusal to eat or drink or engage with other horses for 2 weeks when his very best pasture mate of many years moved away 2 yeara ago (This was the first to occur of all of the above and within 2 weeks it catapuled our downward decline from there)

After speaking with our local mill - Otter Co Op - we spoke for nearly 1 hour. They do sell a forage senior feed, however we agreed their Equical pellet will be a better choice in this case to pair with his timothy pellets and hay intake. Fibre is 20%, fat is 12%, protein 12%, no added sugars or grain products so it is a great choice for sensitive digestion, and one of the main fibre ingredients is alfalfa - good for ulcer prone ponies. My boy goes off his feed if anything more than basic ingredients are put in it annoyingly so this works great for us. Also, my local feed store can carry this product to me so that means no travel time needed! : )

We presume his weight should come back up to fully correct in minimum 6 but more likely up to 10 months time with this addition. 🤞🤞🤞

“Age-induced catabolic state?”

Has this horse with “age-related cortisol production” been tested for Cushings? Because that’s what Cushings disease is - it’s not from age - it’s from pituitary dysfunction, but it is far more likely to occur in older horses.

How does your vet know it has “chronic cortisol?”

If you meant to post a link (your text says “read below for further detail”) there is no link.

I’ve had metabolic horses for several years and have read a lot about metabolic issue; not to mention this forum, which is pretty diverse and includes a very well-versed group of people responding. I’ve never ever heard of a horse being in an “age-induced catabolic state.” Even if you google it - the only hits are horses that have suffered severe injuries.

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Have you considered switching out the timothy pellets for alfalfa pellets?

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One of the feeds she advocates is Crypto Aero. It’s not a complete feed but certainly one to consider as a supplement feed. www.chewey.com is the online retailer and they ship free for orders over $50. BUT they don’t ship to Canada.

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Oh, yikes, CA is SOOOOOO inappropriate here :eek: Probably for most horses.

If you’re not familiar with it, we had a very good thread here a few years back. Search should turn it up. Highly recommend!

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@Speaking With Horses We have used Platinum Performance in addition to their Healthy Weight product. I just finished them. My horse loved the oil, wasnt a big fan of the PP equine supplement but ate it all. No real observed change in weight was noted but his coat looks wonderful.

@S1969 He has tested negative twice to cushings. I hadnt heard of age related catabolic state either until recently. If you consider our own human elderly population who are in a geriatric state, they too sometimes fall into this catagory. Can they and horses and dogs etc be pulled up out of it? I dont know.

@stb Thank you for your suggestion. I have tried alfalfa cubes then pellets first but didnt have much luck in getting him interested.

Going back to my original reason for this post : I have come across some help from the Otter CO OP in BC and am going to give their product a go. I did come across a cpl brands sold in bc with a forage replacement complete feed stance. Good to know for future endeavours if necessary 👍

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