Question for jumpers re: Liverpools

[Xctrygirl]

This could be a repeat question, I did a search but didn’t find it.

When did liverpools become an element of the landing side of a jump?

I am used to them being centered under a jump but thanks to my subscription to RideTV on Fios I am watching the Longines FEI World Cup series and for their classes the liverpools are on the landing side with the edge starting in line with the jump height rail and extending back however many feet the pool is, into the landing area.

In this series the blue ‘hula hoop’ looping liverpool things appear to be in the position of how I am used to seeing a traditional liverpool.

Anyone know when these shifted or better yet, why?

Surely I am not going to compete at 1.5 or 1.6 but I was curious.

Thanks much,

Emily

[mroades]

depends on the course designer, it is more trappy that way

[PNWjumper]

Like mroades said, it’s up to the course designer where they want to position the liverpool. It can be in front of the jump, centered under the jump, or set entirely behind the jump (like what you’re seeing). I’ve jumped liverpools in all 3 positions over the years. I don’t think it’s a new thing as I don’t think the rules have changed greatly over the years for liverpool placement? But I could be wrong!

[Xctrygirl]

Thanks guys. I just haven’t seen it before this tv coverage. Well, let me rephrase, I may have seen it but not noticed it before.

Em

[eclipse]

What pnw said! Even at the lower height (1.10m) I’ve jumped some very technically, very trappy liverpools!

[fordtraktor]

Yes, I remember jumping one set like this in the 3’3 schooling jumpers circa 1999. It can also make the distance ride tight if it is the first in a line, which it usually is, so you need to be thinking about that when you jump it.

[rosebecard]

When the Liverpool is in front of or in the middle of the jump it acts like a ground line. When it is behind the jump (front edge directly under the rails), it is easier for the course designer to get a rail. It’s typically only set behind the fence in upper level classes.

[yellowbritches]

I am pretty sure I remember seeing them way back in the 90s when I’d get to see the rare show jumping on TV or on a tape. I know that when GM briefly helped the eventing team with their show jumping, he had a line set up in a training session at Morven that was two liverpools. I believe the in was with it on the backside and the out had it on the take off side. That would have been 2003 or 2004.