Question for those with wood board fencing.

Sorry for another fencing thread, but do you regret using wood and not Centaur or some other brand of flex board? What would you build today? What if you were staining it all, does that change your mind (rest of my fence is black)? I have to use pressure treated pine, btw. It really is the only local option.

I’m still going back and forth on this for next spring. I love the lack of maintenance the Centaur represents, but I have varied terrain and lots of big curves to do. I’m only doing 3 board on about a 250’ run along the driveway (rest of the farm is coated wire). I may do the little bit of road there too (so another 200’). Proper bracing is expensive–especially with a big curve (from road to drive). I’m going to make it hot either way, but will need another hot strand if I do the wood (would just do 2 with the flex fence). I also can’t figure out if the HTP is really that much better than the Cenflex?

Finally, I’ve been thinking about putting the boards on the outside and the hot wire on the inside. I know the fence is stronger with the boards on the animal side. This is about looks. WWYD?

I’m usually not this indecisive.

You can have both boards and hot wire on the horse side of the fence, I do believe. As long as you mount your insulators with long enough hardware to make it through the boards and a decent depth into the post, I think you’re ok.

I like wood fence. That’s all I have to contribute to this discussion lol

I can’t speak to all of your questions, but put boards on the inside, unless you do some kind of post and dowel or split rail. Or, if you really like the looks of boards on the outside, you can do both inside and outside (I don’t know what this is called).

With varied terrain, I think I’d go for nailed boards versus the dowel or split rail types because it would just take a little shift to change the space enough for a board to pop out. I think if you have 3-4 board fence nailed on, it’s less likely to have a post shift slightly, but I am no expert.

I’ve seen flex fences that have started to lose their taught and clean look, and it looks horrible when they get stretched and warped. I also personally hate the look when you start getting a lot of splice covers throughout the length of the fence.

I have boards on the outside with electric on the inside. Like you, hubby preferred the cleaner look and it wasn’t worth the argument. The fencing is in the front on display so it was a good choice. If I put in a back pasture I’d choose a system other than wood.

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I have boards on the outside with electric on the inside. Like you, hubby preferred the cleaner look and it wasn’t worth the argument. The fencing is in the front on display so it was a good choice. If I put in a back pasture I’d choose a system other than wood.[/QUOTE]

I would probably run three strands of Horseguard tape on the horse side if I did the wood fencing on the outside. I know it isn’t correct and isn’t as strong of a fence as boards on the horse side. I’m picturing three boards with a baton (nailed board style, not rustic, although technically I will use deck screws :)). I realized I have no feel for how many gallons of stain 250’ 3 board fence will take.

My horses were so kind to their wood fencing until I tied a salt lick directly over a board. The salt dripped onto the board below and ‘flavored’ it. After that they chewed it like a bunch of beavers. I’m kicking myself for that decision. I am thinking of running some hot wire on the inside of the board.

I had split rail fencing for years. It has a certain rustic feel to it, which allows you to get away with not being totally precise in installation. I did get sick of replacing rails after a while.

I had Cenflex installed and I loved it. I think I had it for 2 years (?) before we ended up selling the farm, and I didn’t have any issues or maintenance with it at all. You are right about the proper corner bracing, though. That can be a challenge if you are installing it yourselves.

The only thing I noticed is my young TB geld would like to grab the Cenflex fence and pull the top rail up and down with his teeth when he was bored. I’m sure if I electrified the top it wouldn’t be an issue haha.

After having Cenflex, I personally would not use board fencing again except possibly in areas where there are too many corners to make using the Cenflex feasible. I loved the Cenflex!

I love Ramm…not once did I ever have a horse get hurt on it…board fence, not so much

I had board fence at my former farm, stained black. It is 10 years old and held up well, though I thought the next time I would do Ramm or Centaur to avoid having to paint, etc. We recently moved and when I priced the flex rail products, I found the upfront costs to be too high for it to make sense. (I also have rolling hills and a number of curves in the fence lines).

I ultimately opted for 3-board on 3/4 round posts with boards on the inside. One section (installed by prior owner) does have boards on the nonhorse side. I am installing face boards (batons) on the flat side to reinforce it and have electric inside the top.

I don’t recommend putting boards on the nonhorse side but if you must, I would use electric inside - but at the top only. I would not run hot tape inside all 3 boards for fear a horse might get a leg caught up in it and get walloped by the electric.

For paint, you can rent a sprayer and get paint on sale at Sherwin Williams (USEF members get up to 40 % off and they have 30% off all paint and stain through Dec. 31)

For paint most of farmers I know use that black driveway coating that comes in five gallon buckets & is like $5-10 on sale. I see them spray it on & I’m not sure if they delude it w/any thing ? That black stuff does seem to preserve the fence as well…

Yes I would definitely hot wire the fence w/ boards on the roadside. One on top & one on bottom.

I have 4-board fencing, no-climb with top board and some high tensile fence through a section of woods. I would not do board fence again. It can be pretty hazardous to horses and it rots and splits as it deteriorates and breaks away. Having board fence within the drip lines of oak trees speeds up board rot!

I was at a clinic where one of our local equine vets gave an talk. She is also a competitor and breeder and farm owner. Some how the subject came around to fencing and she told us all the horrors stories about board fence injuries and related deaths. On her own farm she used flex rail fencing (Ramm or Centaur?) for safety purposes. She included a photo which showed a very large steer literally sitting on the fence without damaging it. She has several drafts and draft crosses on the farm which have also stress tested the fence. No injuries and no fence damage.

The only drawback to the flex fence is it will not keep small animals in or out, such as dogs or goats. But creative hot wires added to the posts might rectify that problem.

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I have a mix of wood fencing, Centaur HTP, and Horseguard tape. We did the Centaur around the pasture perimeter, but it would have been a pain to put up front by the barn as we had several short runs there, so that part is 3 rail wood. Then my cross fencing is the HG tape. All in brown, so no staining (all wood is pressure treated).

As others have said, the wood will rot and splinter and cause injuries, so I’m not crazy about it, especially in a smaller area like ours – it looks nice, but I did have a young and dumb one get seriously injured kicking through it (would have been fine had it been the Centaur or HG tape). If I don’t run hot wire over every rail, they chew. I’m planning to replace it, but not sure what I will do – I’m thinking over leaving the top rail in wood and then running HG tape below it.

I was at a farm that had the wood fencing all with rails on the outside and they were constantly repairing it as the rails got pushed off. But they didn’t have any electric fencing, and just one run of electric down the inside would have prevented most of the destruction.

We have oak boards here that are going on 15 years with just a few scratches on them, no hot wire.

Our Vet, to save a few $$, used poplar boards. She was replacing boards after one month that were completely chewed through. I fear you will have the same issue with pine boards, especially in winter when the hot wire will be all but useless.

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We have oak boards here that are going on 15 years with just a few scratches on them, no hot wire.

Our Vet, to save a few $$, used poplar boards. She was replacing boards after one month that were completely chewed through. I fear you will have the same issue with pine boards, especially in winter when the hot wire will be all but useless.[/QUOTE]

Good point. All my Horseguard is bipolar, so I have no winter issues. It is VERY hot.

Perhaps HG on the top and middle row of wood. With the wood on the outside, I think they would have a hard time reaching down to the third row without getting shocked. I think…

I would be extra cautious if there is a chance of them eating treated wood.

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I would be extra cautious if there is a chance of them eating treated wood.[/QUOTE]

Right.

When I started this thread I had already basically decided to do the flex fence, but now I’m leaning towards wood. I really appreciate everyone’s good points. This isn’t the primary pasture, it is just to rest the main pasture. So I don’t think they will ever be out there eating the posts. There are also a lot of mature trees scattered around this pasture (unlike their pasture where all the trees are fenced off) so if they really wanted to chew they can eat those.

The more I think about it, it is really Horse Guard bipolar with an extra layer of wood on the outside. I absolutely think the Ramm/Centaur/etc. would be a better fence in almost all applications, but this is a tricky area with two big curves.

The other negative with this field is that it is the lowest land on the property and can get wet in the spring if we receive heavy rains (another reason it isn’t the main pasture). Last spring we had 19" of rain in one month (this field , the gravel road, etc. was a river). We took the state record (whopee). When we got 9" in 24 hours of those 19" my big, cemented all-to-heck-post in the other pasture that was under tension shifted. The ground was super saturated and it had only been installed a month before, (I mean you tamp as much as you can, but still). I would probably cry if that happened on the “front” pasture and there are a couple places there even without 100 year floods that it is boggy. I think they would be more likely to shift under tension??

Of course, God forbid we get that much rain in one day again, but the flex fence would probably do better if a tree or boulders float across the road and hits it (yes that happened) vs. a wood fence. But I am really hoping I never experience that again…

If you go with wood fence put them up with screws so when one breaks they are easier to replace.

Yes. Definitely deck screws.

I am a real traditionalist when it comes to horse pastures. And I guess I am a fencing snob. too. :smiley: If I see boards on the outside of the posts I think “There are some more newbies moving to the country without knowing/caring why things are done the way they are.”

But that is just me. :slight_smile:

PS: A strip of wood whch is attached to a post to hide seams is a ‘batten’

No, meaning no regrets what so ever. But this comes with a caveat meaning it all depends on available materials and the quality of installation. If you can’t get ANYTHING but oak for the boards don’t bother by and large. No, pine, and especially NO hemlock, total crap. Though I have not used it I have seen pressure treated pine boards hold up pretty well verses untreated. The more “knots” in a board the shorter the life span. Though oak is better then any.

The best fence post bar none are made from honey locust if they can be had. 4X6 treated pine is pretty much the standard these days at “professional” farms. There is absolutely no reason to worry about using pressure treated material. I have not used the board only post. The only posts that have been chowed on are where we feed off the fence line. We are a TB breeding operation, pretty much “soup to nuts” with TBs. Needless to say the majority of our horses have a considerable dollar value compared to the average horse owner’s. To each their own on this.

The majority of our more than 3 miles of fence is done in oak slip board. This is a link to some pics; http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/gumtreestables/library/Horse%20Fencing%20Oak%20Slip%20board%20and%20Oak%20nailed?sort=3&page=1

I like slip board fencing because it is not nailed so when horses “lay on it” it will have give, flex. Because the boards are not nailed they can “slip”, move on the posts so they do not warp because of expansion and contraction. I do not paint my fences, once painted it becomes a maintenance hassle to keep looking good. Oak fades to a pleasing grey IMO.

Personally I do not like the esthetic look of “artificial” fencing. It is not proven to be safer regardless of what is written, advertised and or people’s subjective opinion. I am 58 been working with horses my whole life and been around/on some of the best TB farms in the country that have oak fencing. I have no personal “horror” stories not know of any. To each their own on this.

If you go with board fencing do not be talked into using round posts. There is not enough flat surface area to nail/screw to and hold secure. Over time the fence boards will warp and the line will look crappy. If you want the posts to run straight and true and remain that way they must be pounded in with a proper set up. Regardless of what is attached to them. 3 point hitch pounders on the back of a tractor do a crappy job. Skid loader set up with a “high end” driver is the only way to go. If this is going to be a DIY and you only have a tractor and posthole drill use a 6 inch auger for 4X6 posts. But you will need a bucket on the tractor also. Place the post in the hole have someone hold it and “press” it down in the hole with the bucket. They go in nice and tight with little back fill and tapping needed. I paint a “depth” line on the post with survey paint and pound with my bucket if they don’t not "press’ to the desired depth.

The ease of installing comes down to the type of ground being worked with. I can put up a lot of “feet” in a day with “clean” ground. But if I encounter rocky areas it can be very slow going. The odd posts that don’t go to the desired depth I cut the tops with a chain saw. Slip board is a bit more tricky the posts have to be measured to the depth of the hole and the bottoms cut off accordingly.

In the days before pressure treated posts is was SOP to cut the tops off on an angle so water would not sit on it and rot the tops. IMO and experience this is not necessary. I have posts going on 15 years and don’t look much different than the day they were installed.

All of the above is based on my hands on experience and or paying a lot of money for others to install. It is also based on my experience in my neck of the woods, Mid-Atlantic and Kentucky. A properly installed oak fence is a thing of beauty, curves, follows land contour etc. Any poorly installed fencing regardless of material will look like crap in a couple of years.

Do not if you can help it hire residential fence contractors they don’t have a clue. Unless they have “horse farm” references. Using deck screws is fine if you are not putting up 1000’s of feet. The screws are pricey and time consuming. Definitely invest in an Impact Driver, especially if using oak. Every farm owner should have one anyway IMO. Worth their weight in gold.

I have a fairly big farm by east coast standard so I have a lot of equipment. For nailed boards I have trailer set up with a generator, compressor and nail gun. Shooting 16g sprial nails, makes for short work. All of which can be rented. Slip board is not nailed and goes much faster. Very easy to replace a board also.

Around here 16’ oak board go for around $5-6 each. 11-12’ oak slip boards around $4. 4X6 pressure treated posts $12-14. Locust slip board about the same. All less in quantity. My supplierswill ship anywhere. I have little to no experience installing “synthetic fencing”. But have helped repair a lot for friends when a horse and or horses have run through it and “zippers” off the posts. Total PITA. One horse was all “wrapped” up in it. Pretty scary. Yes, I have had he odd horse run through a board fence, no worse for wear and only one small section to repair.

As with all my comments/advise/suggestions on COTH they are based on my operation, in my neck of the woods and on a fairly large scale. To each their own and what fills their needs and or idea of things.

PS, like others have said, boards on the inside for obvious reasons. And it has nothing to do with “knocking” their knees.