Questions about cinches

I’m in the market for a new cinch, but the options are endless. I’m fond of mohair/string cinches, but that’s about the only preference I have. I have a few questions:

  1. What is the proper way to size a western cinch? I’ve always picked cinches that fit so that each ring is just above the horse’s elbow. Is that still the right way to do it, or is there a more sophisticated way?

  2. Roper or plain, and why? My mare is a very solid, mutton withered type Quarter Horse (if that makes a difference).

Thanks!

I’ll be following this, too. I’m currently using a mohair girth that I like very much but I’m confused by all of the different Western options. I think my horse could actually use a smaller girth than what I currently have. Oops. Cinch, not girth.

I like the roper ones just because the wider they are the more secure they seem to be. I like for the rings to be about four inches from the d-ring on the saddle, less slippage that way in my experience.

Worth reading and digesting. I like them as long as reasonable allowing for seasonal and fitness challenges. I also like single rigs, so as wide as possible, but that’s just me.

http://www.artcords.com/public/110823Cinch_Fit.pdf

I like Professional’s Choice neoprene cinches. I had an English Professional’s Choice and liked it very much so I stayed with it in Western.

Paula

Guess I would be asking you how you use the horse? Is this for ring riding, trail riding, games?

I never went for the mohair, since it could attract moths to damage it in storage and it is hard to wash well or often. It can shrink when washed. So I use fuzzy string girths of nylon that requires no special care, lets me wash it often to be clean, prevent any rubs from sweat or dirt. Hang to dry always. They are not roper wide, but are double thick which seem to prevent pinching too. I do always pull the front legs forward to get any wrinkles out from under the girth area, before riding.

I fit mine so the rings end above the elbows, as other said. My horses do things that make them sweaty. Could be ring work, trail riding or practices of various speed classes. I don’t care for the roper width because it holds heat in, less skin and hair exposed to the air for cooling. Horses here get sweaty often, so being able to self-cool is important with hours of use. Mine all wear breast collars every ride. So even when using the old horse with low withers, I didn’t need to girth her really tight to prevent slipping.

I don’t rope off mine, so they don’t need the spread out width of those roper girths to absorb shock of an animal hitting the rope. If you ride a number of horses with one saddle, you might consider neoprene girths, which can be easily disinfected between animals to prevent spread of fungus or other problems. They also are rather grippy, so saddles are less likely to slip under you. Horse does sweat under the neoprene, which holds in heat. They come shaped, but not as wide as roper girths, if you like shaped girths.

I prefer my cinches shorter than most, I use a 26 or 28 for most of my horses and I have a longer one for my big horses.
I also like the straight style over the roper and round rings rather than the squared off ones to allow the cinch and Latigo to settle where it wants.
Also prefer string mohair, never liked neoprene as it traps heat and I have had them gall.

In my experience though the style and length you will use may vary with your rigging style and placement along with the conformation of the horse.

Pure mohair is easy to wash, and doesn’t shrink. Cheap blends might have those issues.

I’ve been wondering about this, too. Since my recent defection to Western I’ve been using a Professional’s Choice sheepskin-covered nylon girth – I mean cinch – and I’ve noticed that my saddle (a cheepo Mrs. Fabtron ) shifts a bit from side to side and I’m always re-centering it. There’s no elastic or give to this girth so I don’t want to over-tighten, but so I’ve been thinking maybe it’s just too long? The rings hit her about 5-6 inches above the elbow. But now I’ve read the PDF thoughtfully provided by atkill, the gist of which seems to be that length is of less importance than width.

Of course, dudes have been claiming that for years.

Anyway, according to the PDF author, wider is better, and the optimum width depends on geometry. The goal is to make the girth wide enough that it is centered on an imaginary line from the center of the saddle rigging to the ground. If this is the case, my girth is definitely too narrow. Interesting.

I like them on the long side but not to interfere; I always try to make sure there is no hardware on the horse so use the felt that protects on the horse.

The fluffy sheepskin gets slick and can be hard to clean, IME.

I’ve never used neoprene; I’ve stayed away from it b/c I’ve had others tell me they’ve had galls and sores from it. It seems hot and uncomfortable to me so I avoid them.

Mohair is too expensive for what it is for us.

We sometimes use a wider cinch on a pack horse (again with the weight distribution) but not on our riding horses.

These are on all our saddles: http://www.chicksaddlery.com/page/CDS/PROD/1050/32G460

Our saddle maker has a local fellow tie the cinches for him and he sells them in two widths, here is the wide one:

http://www.oliversaddle.com/catalog/item/568034/10107369.htm

They will also make any one other kind of cinch someone desires, if wider or other special orders anyone may want.

We have used their cinches for decades and worked well for us.
We never had a horse gall or even get sore, but there is more to that than what cinch you use.

What fantastic insight, thank you!

Goodhors - My mare is a glorified pasture puff that I pull out of the field for trail riding, some arena work and this year, maybe some competitive trail or western dressage. She’s barrel bred and trained, so maybe we’ll do a bit of that too. I don’t ask her to work especially hard, and we don’t rope or chase cows. She gets sweated up sometimes, but not every time we ride. The majority of the time she sweats is because she can be a fretful mare and having to walk (instead of jogging) drives her batty. My questions stem from a need to make sure she is extremely comfortable - she’s the type of horse that will not pretend to like something and will definitely tell me if she’s bothered. That’s how I know she only likes string/mohair cinches. I’d rather drop the coin on a mohair cinch that she likes, instead of opting for something cheaper and then have to deal with her bucking and balking because she hates the cinch I picked for her. Typical outspoken mare… and she’s not even a redhead!

aktill - thank you for that article; it’s very helpful!

No problemo. Mohair might seem expensive at first, but the truly last forever if taken care of.

Just to tie in to the article, it’s not necessarily that the latigos have to be vertical, but they have to be perpendicular to the underline of the horse. The cinch will tend to wander to the point where the distance is shortest, but that’s not always in the infamous “girth groove”. I only really figured this out playing with cinches on horses with different belly shapes. I think this is part of the semi myth that modern horses can’t use centrefire rigging…older style horses didn’t funnel the girth under the foreleg nearly so blantantly, and were in better shape than most modern horses.

On this horse, I could have put it anywhere back until I ran out of sternum. Was playing with positions in preparation for doing a true centrefire rig, and the saddle and cinch were happy anywhere from a vertical front latigo all the way to about 3" rear of where it’s shown.

I tied this one at 38" long, and could have easily gone longer.

http://www.easphotography.com/Tindur/IMG_2925.JPG

Well that is just adorable. And informative. Thanks.

I use Weaver Smart Cinches in felt.

http://www.statelinetack.com/item/weaver-nylon-felt-lined-straight-smart-cinch/SLT733274/

I’ve had too many horses galled by Neoprene and I hate fluffy fleece it picks up beggar lice.

I like the rings to land about 4-5" above the elbows but sometimes it’s a skinny sausage of a horse and that’s too long. It depends.

I had a QH - the original peanutbutter pony- who required a roping width girth. Anything else made him unhappy. he wore this:http://www.smithbrothers.com/100%-mohair-roller-roper-cinch/p/X3-0248/

My most recently purchased cinch is Mohair. Mostly bought because I prefer the string girths, and the only non mohair options were pink or white. I preferred the off white Mohair. It also has a roller on the end I tighten which I like as my mare needs a tight cinch (no wither). Seems to wear well, contours well to her shape, and I like the look.

The way we ride there’s no way I could guarantee taking care of a mohair. I don’t want to have to worry about the upkeep of a cinch that much in the mountains.

What upkeep? If it gets crusty with sweat, rinse it out. Otherwise, nada.

Keep at least two and have one drying while the other is usable…like any other working cowboy would do.

The don’t need any more upkeep than a saddle pad does, in other words.

I also use the Weaver Smart Felt cinches. Only thing that doesn’t make my QH gelding grouchy.

When we pull into camp with a six horse string at 10 PM after riding 25 miles in the wilderness I don’t want to have to worry about washing my cinch. OK?