Most people think he must be proud cut. I have spoken to my vet about it and she said we could do a blood test but for some reason we never did it. I think we must have just forgotten about it. With all the other stuff going on with him I sort of forgot about his studyness since I haven’t been riding him.
I would assume that there is some way to do surgery to remove whatever was left in there but is there anything else less invasive?
Bowed tendon: 48 days down, minimum 12 days to go.
I haven’t even done the test yet (going to do it along with his ultrasound in 2 weeks). I wouldn’t just put him on regumate for no reason or anything. I am just trying to plan ahead.
I really want to try and get all issues under control before I start riding and training him again. If I make sure that he is in no pain, doesn’t have any extra hormones and all major parts are working smoothly then I will know exactly what is a training issue and what is not.
I just found out that I might be able to get some free acupuncture for his back from his old owner. I have been riding some of his girlfriends horses again and he is really happy about that. I am keeping my fingers crossed!
Bowed tendon: 52 days down, minimum 8 days to go.
I would suggest a little soaking–soak the whole foot in betadine or something else that will penetrate to clean. Punctures are the absolute worst, and you are dealing with a hoof–loads of bacteria from all the crap he steps in. Be cautious.
“Perfect practice makes perfect.”
NinaL, the Arab stallion is owned by a celebrity (I am sure that says it all right there). I am not sure who but I think he is a pet more than anything. Everyone at the layup facitlity wishes he would be gelded but the owner doesn’t want to. As far as I know he/she is not breeding him at all. I am not sure what is up with his crooked legs but they tell me is a a really nice Arab other than that. He also randomly attacks his feeder. It is pretty funny but kind of sad. He has a lot of pent up energy, thats for sure.
Bowed tendon: 62 days down, minimum 28 days to go.
When I got to the barn Chases leg was swollen so I definitely decided to have the vet look at it.
So basically, I waited two hours for the vet to come (he was an hour+ late) and all he did was poke a dirty hoof pick in there and watch him trot. Then he just said to watch it! This is one of the best vets in the area so I was kind of surprized when he didn’t want to do ANYTHING. He didn’t even bring the 4 way vaccine that Chase was due for (with the tetnus in it). He didn’t even want to put Chase on SMZ’s.
Now that I have waisted many hours waiting for him to show and money paying him, should I call my regular vet and have her come out and look at it too? I really didn’t want to just leave it unwrapped and swollen. UG!
Bowed tendon: 41 days down, minimum 19 days to go.
Start soaking the hoof in epsom salts for at least 20 minutes, twice a day if you can. Then wrap in icthamol with a baby diaper,lots of duct tape. You can also give bute to reduce the swelling and increase the blood flow to the area. And give him a tetanus antitoxin shot, your local feed stores should carry the tetanus antitoxin. And get your own vet out there to look things over, but in the meantime get started on soaking and wrapping.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chanda:
I will pay half of the farm call (which I am not sure I am even being charge for) but I will not pay more than that.
But he did look at your horse besides the charge for the farm call-which should be split.
Just because you disagree does not mean you don’t pay for things. Take this track and nobody will come to service your horse. They’ll be afraid you won’t like what they say or do and not pay for it.
Word travels fast amongst vets and farriers about those who use their services and time then decide they don’t like the work and don’t pay.
Pay the vet and don’t use him again.
A good reputation taking thousands of years to build can be destroyed in a few hours.
In my inexpert, overly humble opinion, Chanda did what most people in this situation would have done.
She came here to ask for advice. To the best of my knowledge, she did all that she was advised to do. Like most of use here, she does call her Vet when it is obviously an ASAP situation.
Cut her some slack. I would hesitate myself to ask for advice if I thought I was going to be treated like this. I don’t offer advice if I feel I have no knowledge of the subject. In the past, I felt blessed to be able to ask for it here. Having said that, I would seriously think again after reading this thread. 
I for one don’t think anyone was jumping on Chanda unnecessarily. It is not unfair for anybody to reccomend that another pay their horses veterinary expenses.
These posts have been very confusing to me, and I’m sure to others.
horse has puncture wound and is going to be treated by veterinarian
Chanda wants stable to pay for horses injury - because it was their fault
horse is treated by veterinarian - veterinarian reccomends a course of action that Chanda disagrees with, as do a number of members of an internet community
Chanda speaks with another veterinarian
Chanda PUBLICLY DECLARES that she is not paying the first veterinarian - “because he didn’t really do anything at all” and BLAMES this first veterinarian for anything that might result from this injury
Chanda says the first veterinarian is not going to charge her for his evaluation and diagnosis (I wish I had a vet that didn’t charge for his services!!!)
second veterinarian comes out and administers an annual vaccination and determines that the horse will be fine
what’s the problem? I’d bet 100/1 that if the first vet’s course of action had been followed this whole “ordeal” would have had the same result. Instead Chanda is on the computer having an attack over how incompetent the first vet was. Even if that is the case, the horses well being is ultimately the owners responsibility.
If my vet treats a horse and I disagree, I do one of two things - get a second opinion, or determine my own course of action. I do not sit around complaining and whining and BLAMING the barn, the vet, the grocery store or anything else. Furthermore, I DEFINITELY DO NOT publicly declare that I a not paying for services rendered. That’s just asking for the torch.
I don’t understand the insurance question. Yes Chase is insured but he has a $250 deductable. I am not even getting charged 50 bucks for this whole thing. What does that have to do with the first vet not wanting to do anything?
Bowed tendon: 44 days down, minimum 16 days to go.
Chase is doing great. I followed my regular vets recommendation and did all the soaking and wrapping. The wrap came off of Sat. afternoon and it is looking good and drying out nicely.
Chase has continued to be completely sound even though he had a bowed tendon and a wire in the hoof with an abcess. I think that is actually a bad thing though. I think he needs to show me when he is not feeling well a little better than he is. I wish he would just say OUCH for once!
He is actually seeing and equine dentist today. When I was out removing the wrap on Sat. a woman who works for a dentist wandered out to visit with me and see my horse. She noticed that he had a half chew ball of food in his mouth and said that he might need his teeth done. I told her that I have my vet look at his teeth every time she sees my horse and she said he was fine but that he had not had his teeth done at all in the year and a half I have owned him. She said that it might be a good idea for the dentist to look at him. She just happened to have an opening for Chase today so I thought I would have him looked at. It certainly can’t hurt right? The dentist is a Certified Advanced Equine Dentist (CA.EQ.D.)
Bowed tendon: 48 days down, minimum 12 days to go.
omg there is this new electric teeth file, and i had to hold my horse while he had this done, an di had to stick my arm into my horse’s jacked open mouth! it was really scary but kind of neat!
~Christina~
“I don’t patronize bunny rabbits!” -Heathers
Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool.
When one of our breeding stallions first came he was out of control. Large race horse who had been bred live coverage 8 times. His owner a vet/ equine pharmacutical company owner put him on some type of hormone to counter balance. Not sure what it was but he was alot more manageable (stopped trying to mount people who walked in his stall). He even lets me go in his stall & groom him up sans restraints & doesn’t try to maul me. The best thing to do is talk to your vet.
About the proudcut issue 
I wanted to add that if he is in fact a proudcut, the regumate will help, but I seriously think if he were mine I’d go fishing and get everything out that needs to be out. Invasive, or not, he’ll be a much happier horse as a “real” gelding if he isn’t already. Being a proudcut must be a pretty frustrating life for a horse.
Oh, I forgot to mention that I scrubed out his foot with betadine and warm water before we wrapped it. I made sure the whole foot was really clean and really scrubed the hole as much as possible and rinsed it really well.
Bowed tendon: 41 days down, minimum 19 days to go.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chanda:
NinaL, the Arab stallion is owned by a celebrity (I am sure that says it all right there). I am not sure who but I think he is a pet more than anything. Everyone at the layup facitlity wishes he would be gelded but the owner doesn’t want to. As far as I know he/she is not breeding him at all. I am not sure what is up with his crooked legs but they tell me is a a really nice Arab other than that. He also randomly attacks his feeder. It is pretty funny but kind of sad. He has a lot of pent up energy, thats for sure.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup, that says it all.
Hope he doesn’t hurt anybody before Mr/Ms Celebrity’s ego allows the family jewels to go bye-bye.
Nina
[I]“We who choose to surround ourselves with lives even more temporary than our own, live within a fragile circle, easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps, we still would live no other way. We cherish memory as the only certain immortality, never fully understanding the necessary plan.”
Irving Townsend. [/I]
his whole leg is swollen now? This is not good, and I just really wonder what this vet was thinking, IMO. Geez, you don’t mess around with punctures, and the fact that the leg, or part of it, is swollen, is not a good sign.
I personally would call the old vet if it were me. I would continue to soak it in epsom salts and keep it clean. I almost lost my horse to a puncture this fall, and it cost me thousands. Trust your instincts and get a second opinion is what I say.
“Perfect practice makes perfect.”
With the exception of the tetanus antitoxin, I like jcotton’s advice.
I avoid tetanus antitoxin because of the infrequent but possible sequel of hepatitis.
If the horse has ever had a tetanus vaccination, a simple booster of tetanus toxoid ought to kick up the antibodies.
I am sorry guys, I was just venting because I was pissed that this vet didn’t do anything. He is not actually charging me at all because ‘he didn’t do anything’. He saw 3 other horses that day and they don’t even want to split the farm call with me. I wish he WOULD have done something and charged me for it because I feel like my horse was put in danger from being unprotected overnight while I waited for my regular vet to call me back. If this guy would have just listened to me when I told him that his legs NEVER swell and that he doesn’t really show pain at all, maybe he would have done something, but he didn’t. I wish he didn’t even waste the 2 minutes it took to look at my horse because if he would have just said that he didn’t want to look at him at all, I would have called out my regular vet and had her actually DO something.
This guy should have just told me he didn’t have time or care or whatever, rather than just do nothing and say nothing. I have to try and trust what a vet tells me because they are the professional, not me, and when a vet doesn’t care and tells me to do nothing I have to try and believe it even if I don’t agree with it. I just feel like I put my horse in danger because of this guy and that is not something I want to pay big money for.
I mean, every person who answered this topic AND my regular vet have all said the same thing, keep clean, soak, wrap, this is serious, etc. Everyone except the one Dr. that happened to come out and look at my horse.
Bowed tendon: 42 days down, minimum 18 days to go.
Just a curiosity questions but if Chase is staying at a lay up facility should they not keep adequate vet supplies on hand such as diapers and ichtamol?
“There are times when you can trust a horse, time when you can’t, and times when you have to.”
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