I am so happy!
Yesterday, “Modern Art” was born. He’s just the perfect addition to our exclusively breeding program.HIS SIRE MAHAL!
“Modern Art” is one of the very rare “Perlino” - and I think the very first perlino-colored colt Deutsches Reitpferd in the world!
Please check out the picture!
Myshadeofpink, that is not a palomino at all. It looks like it was born buckskin and is greying out now that his foal coat is sheding out, but then again, he belongs to Mahal, so she can make up any color she wants and then try to convince you of the color she has put on the horse. Mahal, this is getting embarassing. Please study up on color gentics. How long have you been breeding colored sporthorses? The sire from the black and white photos looks to be a grey which is were the grey came from. What next? 
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Hi,
Thank you for opinion.
here is another picture from the Kinsky horse for the color genetic experts.
Mandy
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[This message was edited by atom on Apr. 07, 2003 at 11:33 AM.]
Nikita - you idiot. Now everyone knows about our perlpalello filly. Good going… it was supposed to be a secret until she hit the shows …
Little indian - I asked the same question to a color genetic friend of mine, and here was her repsonse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What makes you certain that a foal either is, or is not, a smoky black?
There is no way to be CERTAIN, unless the horse has a cremello/perlino
parent, or has produced a foal that proves they have the gene.
There are clues, though. I have two fillies that I’m sure are smoky
blacks. But, I can’t say I’m absolutely certain, not until they produce a
palomino or something, or if & when UC Davis releases it’s Cream gene test to the public.
>What are the telltale signs that convince you one way or the other that
>they are / are not?
First of all, they will be born black. Either jet-black, or the more common “pewter-grey” of a black foal. (Nobody knows why some black foals are born jet black, and some – maybe most – are born that funny grey color, but that’s just the way it is. <g>
At birth the skin often looks pinkish, and the eyes are often blue, and there are usually these big tufts of golden hair inside the ears. All
those things together would have made me sure he was a smoky black, even if his sire was palomino instead of cremello.
BUT, I have heard of smoky blacks that didn’t have some or all of those things, and I have also heard of regular blacks that had blue eyes at birth (although I personally suspect they were the darker “baby blue” eyes rather
than these bright blue eyes I saw on my smoky blacks, but I can’t say that for sure), and have even heard of one breeder who claims that her black foals have lighter hair inside the ears, and she has no Cream gene anywhere
in her herd. So… none of them are foolproof. 
(They will be born looking like a black foal, though. Foal coat can be very helpful in telling a sun-faded black, or smoky black, apart from a very dark seal brown, for example. The seal brown would be born looking
bay.)
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Hope this helps
“Spot”
Hi Janeway,
that I posted Christines new horse that was a agreement with her.I have ask she for this, if I can posted her birthday present.
But all the others information about Jasmina will posted Christine.
Not of this horses are secret. You can ask Christine all your questions and she will give answer.
Mandy
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Wow !!!
I bred a colored foal !
The mare has a huuuuuuge blaze and white mouth. Her mum has a belly spot and white hairs around the top of the tail and in the tail.
The full sister to my mare had a pony foals (she is very small) by Constantin a famous Welsh B. The foal from last year has dark spots in his blaze. Have to see if I find pictures of him.
And my mare has some darker sports (only a few but she has them).
How interesting that is. I must have tested her for her genes. But this year she hat a dark bay filly with just a big star. Well the stallion is suppossed to be homoze… - argh spelling, you know what I mean - for dark bay or black.
You can see the blaze of that mare on my homepage under mares and Riou. I have to scan through my pictures to see if I can find more where you can see the markings better and put them on my homepage. A picture of her as foal can be seen in the galery.
Hey, both (mare and colt) are branded Hanoverian ! I cheated them !!! 
And since the mare has an Oldenburg approved and much used sire, she would be pretty sure be entered in the German Oldenburg mare book. So she could be used for breeding Oldenburg pintos. Very interesting. I was thinking about selling her anyway. New options with that information.
This topic is not only weird, it is getting educational.
Alexandra
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[This message was edited by alexandra on Apr. 08, 2003 at 03:50 AM.]
I’m the one who brought up the silver gene…it is possible that one of the “perlino’s” parents could be a bay masked with the silver gene. Incidentally, it is found in warmbloods…particularly Dutch WB’s. It is much more common in ponies though such as Welsh, Shetlands, and Connemaras. I really do doubt he is a true perlino though as I agree that his coat and eyes are just too dark. I’d buy into smokey cream though if he’s proven to have a black gene. Palomino is so much more likely than anything else given what we know about his sire and dam.
I have to point out, pinto breeders help me here, but that “medicine hat” on Mahals website isn’t a true medicine hat is it? I thought they were only supposed to have a bonnet and shield on the chest…hence “warbonnet” to be a true medicine hat pinto. I could be wrong but thought I’d mention that.
Jeanette Gower’s book states that fading black babies are born charcoal black or even brownish. My filly is fading black and she was born charcoal. A jet black baby is born black or bluish black according to her. I’ll attach a pictures of a fading black 6 hour old filly for comparison to the smokey black baby.
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I give no answer to Alexandra and Palomino Leo…
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Artisticgold…BORING --NO NO NO just kidding!!! since shes not purple or rainbow striped it took awhile for my eyes to see sublte.
She is lovely congrats, what is her breeding?
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Alexandra that sounds very much like a tasty chocolate, mmmmmh!
How about trying for a Sabocrematello?
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Try this link: http://www.coloredhorses.com/colorkey.html It’s the IRC site and we have quite a bit of info on coloring/genetics (though we still have lots we have to add!) there is also a very informative artical by Janet Piercy on Paint and pinto coloring. Hope that helps.
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Since the dam of this foal is a Sabino the foal can also be a white Sabino and have blue eyes just like the blue eyes that some Paints have due to their overo genetics. It is NOT possible that chestnut hides a cream gene, that is nonsense!
I see SPOT came to the same conclusion…
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[This message was edited by aurum on Apr. 07, 2003 at 02:09 PM.]
Since he has 4 white socks it seems pretty normal that he has also 4 white hooves.
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Silly flshgordon!!!
Methinks based on my limited knowledge, you’d get a buckskin, bay, or chestnut…
I don’t know for sure, I’m laughung too hard!!!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Janeway:
that is weird I agree Pacificsolo.
I was under the impression that every horse with breeding papers in Germany was registered in the FN with all breeding/competitive data available to the public. Am I wrong Alexandra/Aurum?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The FN has in her database those horse that are somehow successful. That means: First of all each and every licensed stallion in in that database. (of course with his pedigree). Than they have all the horses in their database that are enlisted with that organisation. This means that the owners planned to show him at a certain show level and enlisted the horse with the FN. For the beginner shows you do not need to regsiter yourself and your horse. Each year the yearbook is published (nowerdays data is also available on CD, including more data than the books).
All the stallions are on it, including the stalliontest results and if already existend breeding values. And all thoses registered show horses that were successfull, meaning were placed last year are listed. Sometimes you can find mares in the search function, but only if they are mother or grandmother of a successfully competing horse or licensed stallion. On the CD you can find even the place where the show they took part (well and ofcause rider, type of class, placement). They basicly publish all the horses that are successfully competing in that year, their ancestors and all licensed stallions, even those not living anymore(at least on the CD). You can also search for riders or breeders including their riding successes that year and all the registered horses of a breeder.
Horses only successful at beginner shows or breeding shows are not listed and cannot be found. People competing in Western shows (such as barrel racing or pleasure) are not yet registered neither those horses. I think they are working on that, too, but I do not know for sure.
To Atom: I will wait politely until Mahal answers. I am also eagerly awaiting new pictures of her foal in movement.
Alexandra
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[This message was edited by alexandra on Apr. 11, 2003 at 07:03 AM.]
Roz is the product of bay to bay - she’s definitely chestnut! Plain bay mare produced %50 chestnuts with the smae mating (10 foals)
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Hi Alexandra,
sorry, that I can not give an answer to you.
Yes I have made the contact and I know the mare, but I must seriously to my buyer ( I was agent )and can not give answer about the horses from other people.
Please ask Christine with all you questions, I´m sure that she will give answer to you.
Sorry, but please understand my that I can not give a statement about Jasmina.
Thank you
Mandy
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Thanks for the info on the medicine hats and the link.
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Mahal - unfortunately (or sometimes fortunately!) it’s quite common for a thread to be hijacked such as yours has been. That’s they way of forums. Trust me, no one has forgotten why this all started, and we will all be anxioiusly awaiting pictures of your beautiful foal in the days and weeks and months to come
