Really, Dressage Hub?

[ladyj79]

You guys are confused by how money for clicks works. You are not in any way contributing money to Dressage Hub simply by visiting the youtube page or even by watching the videos. Money is paid in relation to the viewer’s engagement with the ad.

[B]TL;DR if you skip ads, no income is earned by the video host.

And "[/B]a video creator will earn $2,000 for every million views. “And then YouTube takes 45 percent.” Then, of course, you pay taxes on the remainder (New York Times)

So, if you look at dressage hub videos, there a) aren’t really that many. b) Some are videos from other sites. Literally, she has actually posted videos that link to other youtube members. IE Some she didn’t even steal and list as dressage hub.

In total, her videos have 1,631,982 views. So this means her total income from the page, if every single view watched ads, would be around 3200. Less 45% to Youtube, so 1760, then Less Taxes. Over 4 years.

The most popular one has 94k views. So, her income from that one video–if every single viewer watched the ads–was $188, over two years. Again, presuming every viewer watched the ads. And that is her most popular video by almost double. And that’s before youtube takes it’s 45% cut, and then she pays taxes. So at most, from her most popular video, she would have made like $70, and it took two years to do so. If everyone watched the ads. I don’t watch dressage hub videos, but I also don’t watch the ads anywhere else, except the ones that can’t be skipped. I did not encounter any non-skippable ads in Dressage Hub research this morning.

[B]CLICKS =/= INCOME

But seriously, she isn’t making any money. At all. [/B]

[SCD]

@ladyj79

You guys are confused by how money for clicks works. You are not in any way contributing money to Dressage Hub simply by visiting the youtube page or even by watching the videos. Money is paid in relation to the viewer’s engagement with the ad.

[B]TL;DR if you skip ads, no income is earned by the video host.

And "[/B]a video creator will earn $2,000 for every million views. “And then YouTube takes 45 percent.” Then, of course, you pay taxes on the remainder (New York Times)

So, if you look at dressage hub videos, there a) aren’t really that many. b) Some are videos from other sites. Literally, she has actually posted videos that link to other youtube members. IE Some she didn’t even steal and list as dressage hub.

In total, her videos have 1,631,982 views. So this means her total income from the page, if every single view watched ads, would be around 3200. Less 45% to Youtube, so 1760, then Less Taxes. Over 4 years.

The most popular one has 94k views. So, her income from that one video–if every single viewer watched the ads–was $188, over two years. Again, presuming every viewer watched the ads. And that is her most popular video by almost double. And that’s before youtube takes it’s 45% cut, and then she pays taxes. So at most, from her most popular video, she would have made like $70, and it took two years to do so. If everyone watched the ads. I don’t watch dressage hub videos, but I also don’t watch the ads anywhere else, except the ones that can’t be skipped. I did not encounter any non-skippable ads in Dressage Hub research this morning.

[B]CLICKS =/= INCOME

But seriously, she isn’t making any money. At all. [/B]

^^^ This is 99.9% correct. And I have been saying this all along… she makes little off of Dressage Hub… she does this for sport. The ONLY way SHE makes a commission off her YT channel (that I can see… I don’t see any affiliate links, sponsored posts, fan funding (other than a half ass attempt sometime ago asking for $2/10 reoccurring donations), ebooks, product placements, influencer income etc) is in either of two forms of YT ads… CPC/cost per click… somebody clicks on the sponsored ad… or CPV/cost per view… someone watches the ad for at least 30 seconds… which all depends how she set up her account. The math on income generated is somewhat spot on (income fluctuates based on lots of variables), but I would guess that Adsense (not YT, Google Adsense monetizes YT, not YT) is taking a higher cut than 45%.

And as far as I can tell… she has not successfully monetized her other platforms as well, including FB.

On a side note, while I knew/know full well the FB would/will not remove the Dressage Hub page, FB does assign a perceived value score to posts/and FB pages… The more people report/complain the lower score your page gets… thus resulting in a throttled organic (and paid as well if you pay for ads) reach to your fanbase. FB is all about providing the best user experience… period. I’m pretty sure that FB has some record of the complaints… lol…

Thanks for posting this… I was meaning too… but just haven’t found the time.

[csaper58]

@SCD

^^^ This is 99.9% correct. And I have been saying this all along… she makes little off of Dressage Hub… she does this for sport. The ONLY way SHE makes a commission off her YT channel (that I can see… I don’t see any affiliate links, sponsored posts, fan funding (other than a half ass attempt sometime ago asking for $2 donations), ebooks, product placements, influencer income etc) is in either of two forms of YT ads… CPC/cost per click… somebody clicks on the sponsored ad… or CPV/cost per view… someone watches the ad for at least 30 seconds… which all depends how she set up her account. The math on income generated is somewhat spot on (income fluctuates based on lots of variables), but I would guess that Adsense (not YT, Google Adsense monetizes YT, not YT) is taking a higher cut than 45%.

And as far as I can tell… she has not successfully monetized her other platforms as well, including FB.

On a side note, while I knew/know full well the FB would/will not remove the Dressage Hub page, FB does assign a perceived value score to posts/and FB pages… The more people report/complain the lower score your page gets… thus resulting in a throttled organic (and paid as well if you pay for ads) reach to your fanbase. FB is all about providing the best user experience… period. I’m pretty sure that FB has some record of the complaints… lol…

Thanks for posting this… I was meaning too… but just haven’t found the time.

If the only money she makes from the clicks is the above board reported money you are correct.

But, if a rich patron (like her Daddy?) says I’ll give you $$$ if you get lots of clicks/likes and it appears to me you are successful and popular…

Then you are very wrong

I choose to err on the side of not feeding her click count.

[SCD]

@csaper58

If the only money she makes from the clicks is the above board reported money you are correct.

But, if a rich patron (like her Daddy?) says I’ll give you $$$ if you get lots of clicks/likes and it appears to me you are successful and popular…

Then you are very wrong

I choose to err on the side of not feeding her click count.

I do not have insider information if she has an angel VC/sponsor/patron… so I can’t in good faith comment on the possible alternate funding source. All I can do is share my experiences on what I know for a fact… monetization of social media. As far as I am concerned, her current MO is not a viable investment based on the metrics.

Have a good day.

[csaper58]

@SCD

I do not have insider information if she has an angel VC/sponsor… so I can’t in good faith comment on the possible alternate funding source. All I can do is share my experiences on what I know for a fact… monetization of social media.

Have a good day.

She has a patron, but not an angel.

I believe it best not to click on her website or youtube offerings

You have a good evening.

[equiniphile]

@TwoRoads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbwhc5Z1jM

This video has an ad on the front of it for me, which means monetized. If you don’t monetize your videos no ads will appear, so she can make money off of this video. Then she puts her intro on it before going into the footage. Note the bottom right corner of the video where there is mostly cropped off the current/leader scoreboard. This is just zoomed in and slowed down.

Original video from FEI here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4aCmiZ35Q

Hmm, was the FEI video edited? I went back to find the stolen clip and the FEI video above doesn’t appear to have the stolen intro anymore…unless that was posted in another link that’s no longer on the thread?

[ladyj79]

@equiniphile

Hmm, was the FEI video edited? I went back to find the stolen clip and the FEI video above doesn’t appear to have the stolen intro anymore…unless that was posted in another link that’s no longer on the thread?

Yes, she has removed that video she originally stole from FEI.

[Sistersiouxz]

I don’t look at DH anymore. I look to COTH to keep me informed of SW’s victims. My attempt is to send encouraging messages to the bullied. I am no doctor but it is easy to see that SW is affected by all the earned attention that her sibling receives and she is jealous. Most children grow out of this or acquire their own talents that make them feel worthwhile or equal. SW with her mental challenges, thinks any attention is good. She doesn’t realize there is a difference between attention received by doing good in the world or by doing bad. She is easy to understand, not condone but to understand. What I don’t understand is her followers…how can they continue to visit her FB when SW is so vile to people who deserve kindly respect if only because they are fellow human beings. I can only think they too are jealous of others who excel in their field.

[Scribbler]

[QUOTE=Sistersiouxz;n9758854]
I don’t look at DH anymore. I look to COTH to keep me informed of SW’s victims. My attempt is to send encouraging messages to the bullied. I am no doctor but it is easy to see that SW is affected by all the earned attention that her sibling receives and she is jealous. Most children grow out of this or acquire their own talents that make them feel worthwhile or equal. SW with her mental challenges, thinks any attention is good. She doesn’t realize there is a difference between attention received by doing good in the world or by doing bad. She is easy to understand, not condone but to understand. What I don’t understand is her followers…how can they continue to visit her FB when SW is so vile to people who deserve kindly respect if only because they are fellow human beings. I can only think they too are jealous of others who excel in their field.[/QUOTE

Look upthread for explanation of why the DH followers figures are clearly inflated and out of date: static since the blog opened. If you look at the comments they are either from random nonhorse people, or from horse people countering her, and these last get deleted very fast.

At the moment DH is a marginal, non earning, haters FB page that is probably getting little attentipn from anyone except those that are slandered on it or who are being extorted by her.

Other than that, I totally agree with your reading of the situation and that her behavior online is a mirror of IRL problems.

Part of the irony here is that SW has no idea how you create a controversial blog. What you need to do is post a strong opinion and then let your readers battle it out pro and con, while egging them on a little. And keep up all the posts! That demonstrates engagement.

Putting up wierd private grudges and then deleting all the responses when you get called out is just silly.

As a social media site DH is laughable and as a social media entrepreneur, SW has shown incompetence and dishonesty, skirting on criminal activity. Clearly she is finished in this field. But as Gandalf said about Gollum I think, still capable of mischief in a small mean way.

I would not be surprised if her mental health prioblems caught up with her IRL and we get (another) wierd story out of the Edmonton news media about conflicts IRL

[SendenHorse]

while i don’t care really about specifics on the pages, it’s helpful to varify with facts when Susan Wachowich is lying.
Susan Wachowich (31422)

Centerline scores: no GP records, ya’all

• [B]No Show Record Found[/B]

  This Rider (Susan Wachowich) does not have any ride/score details in our database. This is typically because they have not been to a USEF-sanctioned Dressage show held after 1992.
  

[SCD]

@SendenHorse

while i don’t care really about specifics on the pages, it’s helpful to varify with facts when Susan Wachowich is lying.
Susan Wachowich (31422)

Centerline scores: no GP records, ya’all

• [B]No Show Record Found[/B]

  This Rider (Susan Wachowich) does not have any ride/score details in our database. This is typically because they have not been to a USEF-sanctioned Dressage show held after 1992.
  

I think you will find her DS (highest level recored at PSG if I recall correctly) reside in CAN not US (centerline). Search this thread, they
are there.

[SendenHorse]

@SCD

I think you will find her DS (highest level recored at PSG if I recall correctly) reside in CAN not US (centerline). Search this thread, they
are there.

I just remember her talking on UDBB about going to FL… I don’t know about CAN.

[ladyj79]

I don’t think she ever claimed to be a GP rider, just an FEI rider. I think the screen shots of her record from earlier in the thread were removed, but she has two? scores I think from an FEI tests of choice? But is not an FEI rider, by which I mean she has not competed in a CDI, and has no FEI record.

Also I don’t care.

Because the issue here isn’t her lying about herself, it’s slandering and libeling and bullying actual riders and trainers. That is what can’t be allowed. She can call herself Charlotte Dujardin or the Queen of the Night for all that I care, but what she can’t do is, again, slander and libel and bully actual trainers and riders. Oh, she also can’t steal other people’s content and repackage it as her own. Because that’s also illegal. It does look like she is cleaning that up though? So that’s some progress!! I think it shows a capacity to learn that she can’t actually do whatever she wants, without consequences, and that’s an important first step.

So positive results of people not simply ignoring her actually illegal actions:

a) She has been banned from a major venue for international dressage for harassment/illegal recording

and

b) she has removed at least some stolen content from her youtube page.

[Scribbler]

@SendenHorse

I just remember her talking on UDBB about going to FL… I don’t know about CAN.

You can look up her Canadian scores for no cost on Equine Canada. Play with the spelling of her last name or search Susan first name and scroll to the end of about 100 Susies she has a couple of scores for the Alberta area. There is also a YouTube video of her riding, someone found it up thread, don’t know if the link was edited out by mods or not. Somewhat ineffective ammie, only notable given the gap between her riding and her armchair critique. But no one would care that a clunky rider was doing a fan blog if she was being civil and sane.

[ladyj79]

@SCD

“I think the screen shots of her record from earlier in the thread were removed” [ref SW CAN DS score] No they are not.

“She has been banned from a major venue for international dressage for harassment/illegal recording” Yes she has been banned from Global but the reasons why have not been explicity spelled out as stated in the quote above. [see SS below] If you have documentation that explicity states “She has been banned from a major venue for international dressage for harassment/illegal recording” I’m sure the atty’s for SJ/SH/HB would like them, please share.

“she has removed at least some stolen content from her youtube page.”

Again no proof of this. YES videos have been removed temporarily [some permanently] but there is no evidence if they have been removed by YT for possible IF review or if they were removed by DH.

KEEP IT REAL. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT ALL.

@SCD

I don’t think it matters whether youtube or Susan removed the videos.

Perhaps you would like to explain why you think it matters?

If youtube removed them, great.

If Susan herself chose to remove them, I think that is ever better, because it shows at least some acknowledgement that her actions were wrong. That would be amazing; I believe strongly in the powers of redemption.

I also don’t think it matters what specific and particular actions resulted in Global’s decision to ban Susan. It likely has not been made public by Globals. She has been banned from a major international venue for the sport because of her actions…I’m not sure what you are posting, whether that is private correspondence between Globals and Susan, or just something someone? made up? I surely couldn’t say.

Maybe you are Susan and you received that message you just posted. Again, it really doesn’t matter about the specifics, because it was Susan’s actions that got her banned.

SCD, your responses get ever more curious. Like, I have no clue what your point is. Perhaps you could spell out your points for those of us who are less clever.

You have a good night, too, keep on keepin’ on.

[SCD]

[B]"I don’t think it matters whether youtube or Susan removed the videos.

Perhaps you would like to explain why you think it matters?"[/B]

Yes it does matter… if you are giving the acknowledgment of the IF videos removal based on a ‘ahhh’ SW movement of repention as you stated previously.. your words not mine… "she has removed at least some stolen content from her youtube page." then I disagree. IMHO the videos that are no longer avail [or in review] on YT are due to the fact that they have been specifically reported as IFing [infringing].

“Maybe you are Susan and you received that message you just posted.”

The SS letter from global is easily available on FB as she made it public… [do the search] the conditions as to why she was banned were never spelled out… you are the one who shared the reason why… “She has been banned from a major venue for international dressage for harassment/illegal recording” Yes the point is she was banned… but let’s keep the facts strait as to the official why.

“Maybe you are Susan and you received that message you just posted.”

No comment. I prefer to remain professional on this comment. So no comment.

"I have no clue what your point is."

I’m not a big fan of misreporting facts.

KEEP IT REAL. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

[ladyj79]

@SCD

[B]"I don’t think it matters whether youtube or Susan removed the videos.

Perhaps you would like to explain why you think it matters?"[/B]

Yes it does matter… if you are giving the acknowledgment of the IF videos removal based on a ‘ahhh’ SW movement of repention as you stated previously.. your words not mine… "she has removed at least some stolen content from her youtube page." then I disagree. IMHO the videos that are no longer avail [or in review] on YT are due to the fact that they have been specifically reported as IFing [infringing].

“Maybe you are Susan and you received that message you just posted.”

The SS letter from global is easily available on FB as she made it public… [do the search] the conditions as to why she was banned were never spelled out… you are the one who shared the reason why… “She has been banned from a major venue for international dressage for harassment/illegal recording” Yes the point is she was banned… but let’s keep the facts strait as to the official why.

“Maybe you are Susan and you received that message you just posted.”

No comment. I prefer to remain professional on this comment. So no comment.

"I have no clue what your point is."

I’m not a big fan of misreporting facts.

KEEP IT REAL. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

Again, I still don’t understand your point.

You say this:

IMHO the videos that are no longer avail [or in review] on YT are due to the fact that they have been specifically reported as IFing [infringing].

But your whole “issue” at this point seems to be other people, let’s be clear, Me, making similar statements. Actually, not even really.

I confirmed that she had removed at least THAT FEI video she had repackaged and posted. But yep, you got me, I did use the phrase “she has removed” and I have no evidence that Susan herself removed the video.

She has removed the videos wasn’t really a statement of fact, it was more confirming that yes, videos had been removed.

Whereas You believe again, in your opinion, which I’ll quote for a third time

“IMHO the videos that are no longer avail [or in review] on YT are due to the fact that they have been specifically reported as IFing [infringing].”

That’s cool that that’s your opinion. I can’t confirm your opinion, and I have no opinion on whether Susan removed them or youtube did.

You have an opinion on this matter, which you chastise me for…not really having an opinion on…but using words which might be construed that way. You are correct. I should choose my words more carefully. But you were chastising me for having an opinion because

and I’ll quote you again,

LET’S KEEP THE FACTS STRAIGHT…although we don’t really have any, right?

IMHO the videos that are no longer avail [or in review] on YT are due to the fact that they have been specifically reported as IFing [infringing].

Oh, wait, sorry, that was your opinion again. You do understand that IMHO stands for in my honest opinion, right?

Also, even if I take your evidence at face value, that states exactly what I stated ie that Susan was harrassing people at Globals, and as she herself stated during the season, this was due to her being asked by various Canadian riders not to be recorded. You can search for that…

Also references to “being professional” are also really really odd. I don’t think any of us are professional bb…posters? Maybe you are? If so, please PM me how that works, because I could use the money.

As I said, your response it quite, quite odd. And getting more odd.

If you take anything from this though, remember IMHO means in my honest opinion, so you can’t really use it in the same post you make weird statements about sticking to facts.

[csaper58]

SCD… you say you are not a big fan of misrepresenting facts, yet you seem to be defending an egregious liar and bully.

Why do you think we can not recognize blatant hypocrisy?

Or Alters?

Have what ever kind of evening your Karma brings you.

[Allforfairsport]

@csaper58

SCD… you say you are not a big fan of misrepresenting facts, yet you seem to be defending an egregious liar and bully.

Why do you think we can not recognize blatant hypocrisy?

Or Alters?

Have what ever kind of evening your Karma brings you.

I believe in sticking to facts and not speculation. You can only report on facts.
You lose credibility otherwise.

[csaper58]

@Allforfairsport

I believe in sticking to facts and not speculation. You can only report on facts.
You lose credibility otherwise.

so you are SCD? and who else?