Recognize this brand?

[wyeoakequine]

I have a cute 2007 gelding who is supposed to be a Hanoverian/German Riding Pony cross, but I don’t have papers. I don’t doubt that he is what I think, but he has this brand I don’t recognize… it might just be a farm’s brand? Anyway, I figured I’d share and see if anyone more informed than I has seen this before. The bottom is pretty clearly an 07, it’s the top that confounds me.

Here’s a pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/49421553@N02/13529986244/

I’ve met his dam and she has the American Hanoverian brand.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!!

[honeylips]

Looks like that’s the brand of the Hanoverian riding pony. A leaf with an acorn.
Www.ponyhannover.de

[ahf]

What I know about breeding GRPs you can fit on the head of a pin. But… if the dam has the AHS brand, how did the foal get a German GRP brand? The AHS doesn’t’ do ponies.

[honeylips]

AHF is correct. the Hanoverians don’t brand ponies in the USA. If you can clip/wet the brand and take a new pic that would help. But,fuzzy, it looks like the german pony hanoverian brand

[vineyridge]

Maybe he’s not who you think he is. <grin> Perhaps he doesn’t know who his real mother is.

Have you scanned him for a microchip?

[wyeoakequine]

Huh… my first thought was, “Yay! An answer at last!” … and then, “Awww… more mystery.” I have not scanned him for a microchip… the thought would have never crossed my mind!

Hm… I think I’ll have to ask the woman I got him from if she can put me in touch with the person she got him from… maybe I can just backtrack his history to the answer.

[honeylips]

[QUOTE=wyeoakequine;7508292]
Huh… my first thought was, “Yay! An answer at last!” … and then, “Awww… more mystery.” I have not scanned him for a microchip… the thought would have never crossed my mind!

Hm… I think I’ll have to ask the woman I got him from if she can put me in touch with the person she got him from… maybe I can just backtrack his history to the answer.[/QUOTE]

If you can shave the brand so we can get a clear look at it - that would be a little bit faster.
how would you describe the US Hanoverian brand from the dam? Did you see her and the brand in summer when it is most clearly visible?

[wyeoakequine]

That is probably true - I’ll have to see about borrowing some clippers… that’s how long it’s been since I’ve been to a show, lol!

I have never actually noticed the dam’s brand… I took care of her for months and never consciously registered it’s presence. So those are excellent questions which have prompted me to ask her owner for a photo, or at least a more detailed description, as my prior statement was based on the report of the mare’s owner.

Thanks again! Will report back…

[wyeoakequine]

Heard back from the mare’s owner… she said the mare’s brand is clearly the Hanoverian H with the letters US under it.

[Borntorun]

The RPSI does a leaf brand for ponies I believe…That would make more sense. And also, the AHS only started putting the year on their brands in '08. So horses branded before then would have the H with a US under for USA bred horses. In Europe they had the H with a different numbering system but none for '07 should be out there.

Brands can be hard to read in winter. Will need to clip both horses brand to verify. If the mare is really AHS, it should be easy to track her bloodlines/history through the registry as they are very particular and keep good records of branded offspring. Hate to say it but there are a lot of people out there who will lie about a horses breeding in order to sell it! I see it all over the East Coast, along with idiots who brand their horses with their initials and all sorts of designs.

[honeylips]

If the dam is USA Hanoverian branded then it can’t be the german hanoverian pony brand for sure. Could be RPSI pony as the brand looks like the leaf with acorn as well. Scroll down to Rheinland -Pfalz-Saar, then pony.
http://www.pferde-rassen.de/branzeichen.htm

[DownYonder]

It basically doesn’t matter how the mare was registered. The deciding factor in foal registration is what studbooks the parents are approved for. In this case, it appears an AHS registered mare was approved for the RPSI pony book and she was bred to an RPSI approved pony stallion, so that is how the foal was registered.

OP, you might want to get in touch with the RPSI office and see if they can help you figure out who your pony is. You know age, color, and sex, and you know the dam was Hanoverian and the sire a GRP, so they should be able to find the info pretty quickly in their database.

[vineyridge]

Dumb Question–would they brand a foal as a pony if there was a chance that it would go over size? Or is it purely based on parentage? This is a gelding, so it obviously doesn’t matter.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7508540]
Dumb Question–would they brand a foal as a pony if there was a chance that it would go over size? Or is it purely based on parentage? This is a gelding, so it obviously doesn’t matter.[/QUOTE]

They would have to register the foal in the pony book if the sire is approved only for pony breeding. At least, that is what I was told about Weser-Ems, and I assume it is the case for all German type WB registries.

[wyeoakequine]

vineyridge - A pertinent question in this case since my “pony” is 15hh. People look at me like I’m nuts when I call him a pony.

Thanks again for your input, all! I found a photo of a recently applied pony brand on the RPSI site and I think it’s very likely that’s what my guy has. So I am going to contact the RPSI office and see if I can get to the bottom of it.

The RPSI page says the two digits under the leaf brand are the last two digits in the ID number, not the year of birth like I had assumed. But report of the prior owner and his teeth agree that he ought to be seven… so hopefully I’ve got that info right!

[honeylips]

down yonder is correct. How would the inspectors/branding folks know at 3-6 months of age how tall they will be? Since the father is approved RPSI (or Weser Ems etc) pony the offspring gets the “pony” brand regardless of how tall they will eventually become. This is primarily because the pony stallions are not approved to produce offspring that will go into the horse books. Thus they all end up in the pony books, regardless of how tall they will end up.
Vice Versa you could breed a very small WB stallion to a small WB mare. The foal would get WB branded due to parents approval and could end up “'pony sized”. But he doesn’t magically move to the pony book due to height. The branding is based on the parent’s breed approval not on predicted end height.

[wyeoakequine]

Success! The RPSI office found my gelding in the database and sent me his info this morning! (Kudos to them for a super-speedy response, by the way… super impressed!)

He is out of the mare I know as his dam (Hanoverian mare Dakini, by Dederick), and by the GRP stallion Beaujolais. So much fun looking into his breeding a bit, although my knowledge on the subject is practically nil.

Anyway, thanks so much for your help all! Looking forward to getting those papers in my name and being “official.”