Red and white Setters...anyone...

Hi All,
I have posted before about showing dogs and Setters but when I tried to search my posts nothing came up…Im sure its user error:D

Anyway Anyone know anything about Red and white Setters? Any info would be great. I may be leaving the horses and going to the dogs…lol I love the setters and Im kinda trying to get educated about the different breeds. I have been to some shows To see the Gordons,English and Irish shows but have not seen any R&W setters. I am kinda leaning towards the Gordons but I want to find out as much as I can.
So any info on them (any of the 4 breeds) would be great.
Thanks

well, , can tell you our neighbors adopted a gordon setter…she was an adult when they got her…NICEST dog, very calm, laid back…not sure how she was for smarts, never really saw her put to the test, but she was sweet, sweet, and very bonded to them…always sat right next to them as they moved about the yard gardening…

I’m a big fan of setters. Don’t have any experience with red and whites, but grew up with Gordons, English and Irish. Frankly, the Irish, while pretty, are a bit dim. The English and the Gordons were all very nice family dogs with excellent temperaments. The Gordons a bit more protective, the English inclined to be everyone’s best friend. I’d have another of either in a hearbeat.

Hi,
Thats kinda why I am leaning towards the Gordon cause they are a bit more reserved. But since I am in the “research” phase…lol… and I am libra I weigh all the pros and cons…:lol:
But I wanted to find out some about the R&W. Gordons seem pretty laid back but the English are so happy…ugh…decisions…

What are you wanting to do with them?

I sent a link to this post to a friend of mine that breeds Red and White Setters.

Irish Red & White Setters

I show, hunt with and breed Irish Red & White Setters. The reason you haven’t seen any at shows in FL is there are only 2 or 3 people in your state that are actively showing and they have to go out of state to find competition. The IRWS are the “natural” setter. There is no “bench” and “field” currently and we are working to keep it that way. They are intense hunters in the field and big snugglers in the house. Very energetic but also very smart. If you want to talk more feel free to e-mail me, my website is in my profile and we are also on Facebook at Truly Red & Whites.

Wendy

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Hi All,
I have posted before about showing dogs and Setters but when I tried to search my posts nothing came up…Im sure its user error:D

Anyway Anyone know anything about Red and white Setters? Any info would be great. I may be leaving the horses and going to the dogs…lol I love the setters and Im kinda trying to get educated about the different breeds. I have been to some shows To see the Gordons,English and Irish shows but have not seen any R&W setters. I am kinda leaning towards the Gordons but I want to find out as much as I can.
So any info on them (any of the 4 breeds) would be great.
Thanks[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the link to you website and FB!.
My goal is to show. I would also like to do some agility because it looks like great fun and fast. I would like to try the field stuff as I think they should be able to do what they were bred to do but that maybe tough in Florida.

I love the setters so thats the way I am going but not sure which one. I want to be able to finish the dog without traveling all over the country (part of the reason for leaving horses…lessons,feed,farrier,huge trailer ,gas…to much money).
I see there are a ton of dog shows in Florida and Georgia.

I am in the learning stage of this so Im not in a rush.
Thanks

I would suggest doing a lot of research into health, bloodlines, etc. The IRWS can be excellent at agility with the right training, so if you haven’t done it before that is also something you need to do research into. The numbers of IRWS in FL will continue to grow. If you go with one of the other setter breeds I would look for a breeder who DOES do both show and field, although there are splits in those breeds there are some dual lines still out there. Feel free to e-mail me direct also.

Wendy

Wbockman I sent yo a email:)

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I would suggest doing a lot of research into health, bloodlines, etc. The IRWS can be excellent at agility with the right training, so if you haven’t done it before that is also something you need to do research into. The numbers of IRWS in FL will continue to grow. If you go with one of the other setter breeds I would look for a breeder who DOES do both show and field, although there are splits in those breeds there are some dual lines still out there. Feel free to e-mail me direct also.

Wendy[/QUOTE]

HEY BUDDY! waves i was going to link your page but you beat me to it.

(pssst…it’s Gail, in case you are having a senior moment)

wbockman, love your information. Just curious, as many, many years ago, grew up with what I’d term a “field bred” Irish Setter. Broader in most respects, especially the head, (across the top, between the eyes) than anything I saw later. Quite protective, too, for an Irish Setter. Family tried to replace that dog but the replacement was quite the example of the “dumb” setter. I always thought that the downfall of most breeds is when they become trendy- and that the Disney movie Big Red didn’t help the breed at all. First setter was pre-Big Red and I think the family made a mistake in assuming they’d get the same type of dog again.

Are the field bred dogs a bit heftier? Bit smarter? Or is there a temperment difference between field and show dogs? (Of any breed)

IMHO, bird dogs, just about any of them, take a bit longer to “grow up.” :wink:

Aw, some of you make me sad. I’ve had two Irish setters from show lines and both have been very bright. I will say that they are very sensitive and would shut down if someone were impatient or sharp with them.

Irish setters are definitely not for everyone. Mine have been jokesters, a touch willful, and with grooming and exercise require a good deal of maintenance. They have vibrant temperaments and stay puppy-like for much longer than other breeds.

I also own a field English setter and he is an angel. A bit simple minded, but a wonderful dog all around. Deafness can be a problem with the breed, but mine has a “hood” (color in both ears and over the top of the head) and full hearing. His generous flews, however, do result in his tendency to drool, as can be the case with English and Gordons – worth mentioning in case you have an aversion to slobber.

I’ve known and cared for lots of setters – the English tend to be the most laid back but I’ve met some Llewellins that were anything but. 'Same for Gordons. So wbockman is right; do your homework, know your bloodlines and the potential health problems each breed can have. Before you pick a pup, try to meet parents and related siblings if at all possible.

Regardless of breed, remember too that if you are going to do conformation showing, you will have to keep your setter intact. That requires some special consideration in its own right.

Barnfairy my first love was a Irish but with my lifestyle I thought the English or Gordon would suit me better. The grooming is something I look forward to I always enjoyed grooming my horses. Thanks for all the info please any info is so welcome!

I have honestly never met a setter (of any variety) that I didn’t like! They’re all so darn sweet. Best of luck in your search, spook, and be sure to keep us posted on which you choose!