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Hi

I had problem with horse limping after trim for while but last 2 times its just horrible. New farrier, pointed out this
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to me, that horse may have some beggining of laminitis. he is not fat mind you, his heels are low i just want honest opinion if you met with something like this.

its on front feet

sorry for my english

thank you for any post in advance

Yes, I agree it is bruising. It is possible that it is from a metabolic issue (e.g. Cushings) or is diet-related, or both. It might be related to the trim or possibly indicate that the horse needs shoes, but I would think metabolic to start. It might be more noticeable after a trim but not necessarily be because of the trim.

I have a pony with Cushings and he can have laminitic flares from grass/hay, even in winter. When he does, he has this type of bruising in his feet.

The only other time a horse of mine has had something like this was a very mild episode with spring grass - and I took the horse off pasture then (and still doesn’t go on pasture until summer).

Impossible to judge the trim from this angle so I don’t know about heels. What is the diet/what kind of grass/hay, and has the horse ever been tested for Cushings?

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i dont think trim is the cause as its continuing problem but never before this bad. Currently only hay we are under snow so he only have gras he digs out of the snow. Its wery good hay. I was told to stop giving him oats so i stopped, he still gets musli (he doesnt have good poop otherwise bought it to correct this problem)
I tried googling cushings it doesnt look like he fits any of the signs. He only limps for few days after trim can it be this when there is no other sign?
His heels are low “hair is nearly touchingthe ground” so farier is trying to make them little higher.

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It’s important to differentiate between metabolic laminitis and mechanically-induced laminitis.

If the horse is not demonstrating any other signs of metabolic issues and is just demonstrating soreness and foot pain, especially if it’s only right after being trimmed, I wouldn’t necessarily jump right to metabolic laminitis. Low heels by itself is not a sign of metabolic laminitis or metabolic-related foot issues. But low heels can be a sign of foot balance issues.

Could you post some pictures of his feet on flat, level ground? It may be that he was being trimmed poorly, or maybe trimmed in a way the farrier thought was correct but for the horse’s needs was not. Bruising in that area indicates either A) the horse is landing toe first, and the constant concussion on the toe is causing some bruising and possibly some mechanically-induced separation of the laminae, or B) the horse’s toes are too long and there is undue tearing-type pressure when the horse moves. Proper trimming or shoeing would fix this, whereas diet changes would not.

Is this new farrier the same one that’s been trimming the horse the last two cycles when he’s been lame?

ETA: OP, have you or the farrier or a vet actually hoof tested the horse? If so, where has he shown up sore? If the horse has low heels, he could be developing caudal heel pain and compensating by landing toe first - so the toe bruising may be just another symptom and not actually the real issue.

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How much oats were you feeding and when did you stop? How much musli? (I’ve never heard of feeding a horse musli?)

I agree that it’s important to determine whether or not the issue is mechanical or metabolic. But remember that often the first sign of Cushings is laminitis. So I wouldn’t discount that possibility just because there are no other obvious symptoms. Especially if this is an issue that started in the fall if nothing else changed - it could be seasonal laminitis. and the horse might be most sore after a trim.

You have a new farrier now - did the issue start with the new farrier? Is it possible he is trying to change things too quickly?

Might be worth some xrays.

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https://equusmagazine.com/lameness/hoof-bruises-happen-29327

In other countries muesli seems to refer to what we would call a textured or sweet feed.

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We definitely need a good side view of a foot - camera at ground level, perpendicular to the middle of the side of the foot which should be on flat hard ground.

To me, the toe looks long, and the heels a bit underrun. Simply having long toes can cause this bruising from the lamina being stressed and slightly torn from the excess leverage.

If a farrier sees this long toe, but thinks the way to fix it is by shortening things from the bottom, that can make the foot very sore.

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well his is not sweet lol i checked it and it schows in description that its good for horses prone to laminitis. this is new farier first trim of his, i had two others, horse is not sore on hoofs this farier tested it as first thing,

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this is after old fariers trim 1 and half weeks after he was on meds for this one as he refused to move, yes vet did come

also i didnt change fariers after 1 trim gone wrong so dont think that please

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So what did the vet think, then? Trim too short or metabolic, or both? Or neither?

Vet just looked at him sadly and gave me pain meds. (Last month) well horse wasnt able to walk pretty much so we coelnd really trot him or anything. He is coming tomorow ll ask him about laminitis and so. Thank You for info

Bruising happens could be from poor trimming long toes under run heels. My well trimmed riding horse bruises sometimes. If your horse does have cushing just know it’s not cheap to treat. Do your research on metabolic horses,and their care.
Know someone who owns a cushings/IR mare she’s ready to dump her at the local sale barn.

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Something isn’t right…I can’t fathom a way in which a horse that has been so lame after a trim wouldn’t test positive at all with hoof testers just a few weeks later at the next trim. I wouldn’t expect as positive as he likely would be when he’s that lame, but I’d sure expect to see something. @polvora, when the vet came out and ended up prescribing pain meds, did he hoof test the horse? If so, what were the results?

What a wonderful person. I hope she discloses all the horse’s medical issues before trying to sell it.

To be honest, it’s not necessarily that expensive to treat Cushings (1mg Prascend is about $1.75), but it can be a progressive disease, so eventually a horse may end up in early retirement. Still “sound” but not necessarily capable of working.

But, of course, that can happen with any horse - my daughter’s WB is not really sound at 13. She can be a light w-t horse, but that’s about it. (Smartpak Ultra helps…2/day…) She’s expensive compared to my Cushings pony.

The price of horse ownership. It ain’t cheap.

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According to friend horse is on 2 prascend pills a day not sound hasn’t been sound for a year. No she won’t disclose horses medical problems. She’ll drug her up so she goes sound and ditch her.

Well at 1.75 for 1 mg not to bad for prascend. Interesting about your daughters horse that it cost more for him them your cushings pony. Hope OP figures out what’s going on with their horse.

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That would not be someone I could ever call a friend.

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@polvora are you sure it is the foot/ hoof causing the lameness?

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And that is uncalled for!! .[ Edited] Thank you candyAppy

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Hi, so vet came once again. i just want to give all nice people here result what it was. so in the end vet did xrays and tenderness test (?) he is tender on front feet in front, xrays were ok his bone didnt move, vet called it. not sure if i translate it correct … inflamation of white line or something like that. vet agreed with new farrier that heels have to go up and that the frog is too long. and he said its going to take a long time to correct. So i am thinking of buying horse boots for front feet he can wear after farier visit .
in sense i am happy that its just this i tend to expect worst.

For person that asked, first time vet came he just “looked at him sadly and gave me meds” thats all also you have to understand that this horse to make him move i had to take a whip he just stood it was just horrible to look at, worse then when he tore his forhead and had to have it stitched last week (and that was a lot of blood- mare that kicked him got kicked back so at least i feel some satisfaction). we just thought its bad trim back then. This time vet did test for pain.

Thank you for all info and links i

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