Registering Appy?

[horsegal301]

Hey guys,

Not sure which forum would be best, but figured most Appy people would be on the western forum.

I have been talking to someone who used to show Appaloosas quite a few years ago in breed shows. She had asked if I showed mine currently - and I had to explain that he’s just an overgrown POA.

I’ve always wondered if it was possible to have him registered as an Appaloosa if he is too tall to be a registered POA? I looked on their site and his parents are both registered POAs, but it’s not one of the accepted breeds for either parents.

Do you think there’d be any exception since he isn’t a registered POA? He does have ApHC in his lineage (obviously), just not his dam or sire. Or does that automatically count him out?

For reference - he’s most definitely got the Appy look - http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/283790_566957461450_1594891421_n.jpg

[appyreiners]

Spayed mares and geldings with recognizable color can be “hardship” registered. Parentage does not have to be known. Last year the fee was $100 for members, $165 for non-members. Paint markings aren’t permitted and the gelding has to be over 14 hands at five years of age.

The ApHC website, www.appaloosa.com has decent info. The hardship option is a bit hidden though. Quite a few of the top gelding show horses have pedigrees of unknown x unknown.

[BayRoan]

The form for hardship registrations with ApHC is here: http://www.appaloosa.com/pdfs/hrdshpreg.pdf In the spaces for sire and dam, fill in “Unknown.”

[SuckerForHorses]

Do any of you have a membership to be able to look up info on a Appy for me?

His registered name was “Bodaciously Choo” and I think he would be about…hmmm…9 now maybe?

[appyreiners]

I looked it up and will PM you. No show record/points for ApHC shows. Only 1 owner.

[pnalley]

I am pretty sure the hardship states no pony. I don’t know if they consider the POA a pony no matter the actual height though

[BayRoan]

[QUOTE=pnalley;6831425]
I am pretty sure the hardship states no pony. I don’t know if they consider the POA a pony no matter the actual height though[/QUOTE]

That’s why you list “unknown” on the parentage. We had a 15.3h gelding when I was a kid that was hardship registered and his papers stated “Unknown.” He was out of a little POA mare. I don’t recall what the sire was. For geldings, it really doesn’t matter, as there is no chance of them passing on any latent pony genes.

[VCT]

When I looked into it all you needed to get the hardship registration was the fee and 3 out of four appaloosa traits - coat markings, mottled skin, white sclera, striped hooves.
I could have hardship registered my Appy but I didn’t bother as I have no serious interest in the breed shows and there aren’t any close by. I mainly do eventing/ combined training.

[VCT]

[QUOTE=BayRoan;6832181]
That’s why you list “unknown” on the parentage. We had a 15.3h gelding when I was a kid that was hardship registered and his papers stated “Unknown.” He was out of a little POA mare. I don’t recall what the sire was. For geldings, it really doesn’t matter, as there is no chance of them passing on any latent pony genes.[/QUOTE]

Latent Pony genes… is that like “the bad seed”? ;)

[ccoronios]

[QUOTE=appyreiners;6823754]
Quite a few of the top gelding show horses have pedigrees of unknown x unknown.[/QUOTE]

Or, as we used to say it, “Out of Nuthin by Nobody”

Carol

[ccoronios]

[QUOTE=VCT;6832904]
Latent Pony genes… is that like “the bad seed”? ;):D[/QUOTE]

Yup - goes along with “misplaced white”

C

[BayRoan]

@ccoronios;6834840

Or, as we used to say it, “Out of Nuthin by Nobody”

I usually heard “Out of Nevada, by trailer.”

And yes, I’m quite sure latent pony genes could be equivalent to a bad seed.

[ccoronios]

[QUOTE=BayRoan;6835604]
I usually heard “Out of Nevada, by trailer.” QUOTE]

Yeah, that, too!

C

[equinekingdom]

I’d call the Appaloosa Horse Club and ask them - they should know.

[appdream]

Sorry, late to the party.

If you register him under the hardship clause, you can compete him for ACAAP points. Gives him a verifiable show record with the ApHC. As mentioned above list his sire and dam as unkown.

But, as a stallion owner, I would like to know what my horse’s get are doing. I would register him with POA, so there is a owner on file for him. Since he is gelded, his size does not matter. His genes are not going to be put into the breeding pool. If they ask for a size, just list it as 14.3 hands.

No latent pony genes is because they want to make sure that the registered horses are horse size. Even though you can find many pony sized Appaloosas with registration paper.

[painted02]

[QUOTE=appdream;6866920]

But, as a stallion owner, I would like to know what my horse’s get are doing. I would register him with POA, so there is a owner on file for him. Since he is gelded, his size does not matter. His genes are not going to be put into the breeding pool. If they ask for a size, just list it as 14.3 hands. [/QUOTE]

If he’s over-sized, I’m pretty sure he can’t get his POA papers. They do require he be measured by an inspector (easily done at most POA shows) to show that he’s under 56". We’ve been through it before with a couple of POA fillies and most recently a POA gelding. They are pretty strict on height. That’s why the poster was asking about appy registration.

[appdream]

Sorry, I have no knowledge of the POA organization. More of the registries should be so strict.