Registration issues - illness/death of stallion owner?

[AusEventer]

Have a dilemma here. Bought a mare with two registered parents. She is an exceptionally beautiful mare, really good quality and sought after breeding - who for a variety of reasons, was not registered with her previous owner (not shown, not bred etc).

It is well documented who this horse’s parents are on the stud website and social media - there is no questioning the breeding. However, we have hit a snag in obtaining service certificates for her and another horse the previous owner owns. The stallion owner is near end stage terminally ill, so asking someone to deal with seemingly trivial issues like horse paperwork is rather insensitive and inappropriate.

Not going into specifics of the breed societies involved, however my mare is eligible for several stud books if paperwork could be obtained.

I will still breed from her, as many registries will accept 50% Regos. I’m just a bit bummed that it will potentially restrict her classification opportunities and that of her progeny.

Not sure if the breed society is able to step in at all? I could of course do DNA profiling but am not sure if that’s enough in this case? I did buy her in the good faith that paperwork wouldn’t be a problem, however…here we are.

Yes, I’m a bit dumb In assuming getting paperwork would not be an issue, however the previous owner didn’t expect this snag either and is being supportive.

Any ideas???

[weixiao]

The NAS can often use DNA to confirm parentage. Depending on the studbook you’re dealing with, that may be an option, or depending on your mare’s breeding you may be able to get NAS papers for her. They are a full-WBFSH member. https://northamericanstudbook.com/registration/

[Edre]

What registries are at play? I would suggest contacting a rep from the registry if at all possible - you may find that to be approved with that registry the stallion had to send in DNA so when his foals get registered, breeders submit foal’s DNA (which is confirmed to match the mare’s on record, and the stallion’s on record) and then the foal is papered.

I would strongly recommend reaching out to a registry staff member because I think they will probably have some excellent advice (and possibly even a solution for you that doesn’t involve the stallion owner at all).

[Simkie]

Doesn’t this just really depend on registry? Some will register off of DNA. Some require the service certificate to show that the stud fee was paid. If the latter, it doesn’t matter if the horse’s parentage is verified with DNA…the paperwork still needs to be in place.

If this was a business for the breeder rather than just a hobby of one or two foals produced, the estate may be able to settle the matter after the breeder has passed away.

[AusEventer]

It’s a little complicated. as the previous owner was given the mare (with foal in utero) in exchange for a stud fee paid (that didn’t result in a pregnancy). It wasn’t a large commercial breeder, rather a hobby breeder who bred very successful stock on a small scale.

If paperwork was done at the time, it would have all been fine.

Both dam and sire have passed. Sire DNA would likely be on record, the Dam’s probably not due to her age.

There is one registry here who may accept her, but it is not the one who her sire and dam were registerered with.

I will be registering ALL my stock bred (even if only part of parentage known on passpsort) so if anyone wants to breed from mares produced, they won’t have this issue (and in case of geldings, so their breeding is recognised). It’s such a headache!

[OverandOnward]

As others have said, although you can get some tips, ideas and experiences here on COTH, only the registry itself can answer your questions. Have you contacted them, and what did they say?

[AusEventer]

It’s the weekend here on other side of the world, will phone next week to discuss options.

Worst case scenario is a blank passport.
Better outcome would be at least dam’s details being recorded (as previous owner would be able verify how the horse came into her ownership). .

Best case would be being able to use DNA profile to verify sire (I’m unsure though, how forthcoming breed societies are with sharing DNA profile info between them).

I really wish there was a way of being able to easily access databases of various studbooks to confirm registrations/pedigrees (and something denote sires with DNA verification. Many here are not online, leading to a lot of phone calls and going around in circles.