Reiner Andrea Fappani trying to put a MotoCross track in my Neighborhood!

[NoSuchPerson]

[QUOTE=Tom King;6879392]
When we cut any timber, a lot of the people who own waterfront 1/2 acre lots, that surround our farm, complain about the way it looks. When I ask them if they would be willing to buy it for what timber growth for a couple of generations would sell for, and let it sit there without ever doing anything else with the land, I get no takers. [/QUOTE]

Yes, this is a source of great frustration. People seem to think that the alternative having land in managed forests is to have undisturbed natural forestland. In truth, the alternative to managed forest is frequently a corn field, subdivision, or commercial development. The fact that a landowner can harvest timber off his land is part of what allows that land owner to keep the property in forest rather than selling it/converting it to a non-forest use.

@hurleycane;6879628

I am sure NIMBY is what got us most of our national and local parks.

No, I’m pretty sure our national and local parks are one of the best examples of what several of us have been saying here: if you want to control what happens to a piece of property, you have to own it. At some point in the past, certain far-sighted individuals saw the value in preserving various scenic, cultural, and historical landmarks, and in order to do so, got the government to buy the land so they could control what happened to it. I don’t really see how NIMBY factored into it.

[hurleycane]

What do you think the National Park is? It is [I]your[/I] back yard. My back yard etc etc.

WE ALL (with the Feds as representatives) said “not here in my back yard.”

And we agreed to call it a park.

I think the OP and her neighbors have certain rights to a control of noise. WHich begs the question - Why do these bikes not have noise dampening mufflers they can use? Or do they?

I will be very curious to see how this plays out and how much this ends up costing them all in fees.

It can get expensive real fast.

[hurleycane]

OH - The NIMBY happens here and everywhere for sure.

A small area about a block from me has a HOA. HOA made one lady who has horses bag her horse & goat poo for pickup. A complaining neighbor who bought into the neighborhood after this lady’s farmette was established for years went the HOA route and forced the poo bagging.

Which was not what she was after - she wanted the horses and goat forced out of the neighborhood because they were a “health risk” to her children…

Funny that she made no complaint of the many piles of dog poo the neighbors drop in their routine walks past her yard.

Stuff happens.

I just think if I were in OP’s hood - I would be looking for a way to stop the noise that is about to happen too.

[NoSuchPerson]

hurleycane, I think you and I are defining NIMBY entirely differently. To me, NIMBY means you don’t want something next door to where you live or in your neighborhood or in your town.

By my interpretation, there is not a single national park in MY backyard and I do not consider any national park to BE my backyard.

[Tom_King]

Actually, the National Park System was created by a President who first got a law passed (Antiquities Act-or something like that) giving his office the power to establish National Parks, National Monuments, and such, and then did everything he could to create a bunch of them. He was not worried about getting re-elected, so he did what he bully-well wanted to. It was not so much a general population idea at all. In fact, it was a very unpopular idea to start with. I really appreciate Teddy Roosevelt for this and a bunch of other reasons. Short of that, I’m sure it would all be developed some sort of way by now.

This is a much different situation than being beside a National Park. It’s a small piece of land that belonged to someone who sold it.

[NoSuchPerson]

Yeah, now that I think about, I should not have said the government bought land for parks. They didn’t have to buy land, as by their reckoning, they already owned it.

[trubandloki]

Hurleycane, I think you need to do some googling. Your theories on national parks are very twisted compared to the facts.

You ignored the question that was asked of you earlier. What happens when a neighbor moves into your area who does not like what YOU legally do on your land? Will the NIMBY thing be as cool when they force you to do what you do not want to?

[hurleycane]

Think ANALOGY and big picture on the parks or any zoning effort for that matter. It helps understand NIMBY has 2 sides. The deciding force will be the law when neighbors with conflicting interests can not settle their differences.

It (neighbor’s desires) happens all the time. I did not bury my horse on my property cause my neighbors (and the law) would not permit it. I also do not burn on my property. I do not set off fireworks. I do let my grandson run his go cart all over the place - but not all the time.

Who is “the law” but my neighbor’s desires?

These neighbors in the OP are being impacted negatively by the proposed motor cross. I think they have right and good reason to oppose it.

[Derby_Lyn_Farms]

I have a motocross track right in my pasture. It does not bother the horses at all.
It is a private track so neighbors don’t constantly hear the dirt bike.

I do have to say, we are looking for a farm and we take into consideration the neighbors. We will be building a track at the new farm and we do not want to be limited to what we can do on our own farm because of complaining neighbors.

[Emily_amp_Jake]

If it’s in zoning requirements, I don’t see what the harm is. Likely it’d either be a personal track, or it’d be a place where races are held which means more business for your area.

I doubt you can hear the bikes over 2 miles away. I used to live with a motocross track directly behind my house - like, crawl under the back fence and I was on their property with the track right there. They’d have a race series at the beginning of each year. Think 15+ riders going at the same time, loud, but not loud enough to be heard over two miles away.

[Timex]

As long as all of the applicable laws, ordinances, etc are being followed, you’ve got no leg to stand on. Your neighbor can do whatever he or she wants to with his or her own land. Whether that’s horses, cows, dirt bikes, guns, whatever. Again, as long as it’s all on the up and up. If it’s not! Go bitch to the town, county, state, whatever board, council, whatever, that enforces those laws and ordinances. Be loud about it, and persistent. But if it’s all good, then you’ll have to accept that, whether you like it or not.

signed, a non-motocross fan