Reputable Breeders in Europe?

[xemilyx805]

Does anyone know any reputable breeders overseas? I’ve been looking into importing a nice colt, but I really don’t know any breeders over there.

I can’t pay to fly over to Europe and I don’t really know anyone who does very well, so I need a really reputable farm. I was really skeptical at first because I would need to trust a farm from just over the internet and the phone, but I’ve been told by friends who have gone that way that the reputable farms are completely trust worthy. A friend who bought from Benny DeRuiter Stables apparently got a horse that could not jump the height they said it would, so they actually paid to have it shipped back. I suppose they just really want to keep up their reputation.

I would really like a colt under 2 years old. That’s the cheapest to ship and does not need to be quarantined for CEM. Benny Deruiter doesn’t have any young horses right now, but I really need a good word before I consider buying from a farm.

Any advice about this? Anyone know any reputable breeders?

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I would buy a colt from here but they’re so expensive and from what I’ve seen I could get a colt with much better breeding for the same price over seas!

[Home_Again_Farm]

I can recommend Kareen Heineking Schutte very highly for the horses that she breeds as well as those that she finds for clients. Her website is http://www.germanhorseconnection.com

[risingstarfarm]

For jumpers: Stud Hero in Belgium. If you are interested I can put you in touch with Luc. I’ve bought several horses and have been very pleased. There are several other excellent and reputable breeders in Belgium that I work with - please contact me if you would like further information.

ronda@risingstarfarm.net

[HyperionStudLLC]

[QUOTE=xemilyx805;6243420]
Does anyone know any reputable breeders overseas? I’ve been looking into importing a nice colt, but I really don’t know any breeders over there.

I can’t pay to fly over to Europe and I don’t really know anyone who does very well, so I need a really reputable farm. I was really skeptical at first because I would need to trust a farm from just over the internet and the phone, but I’ve been told by friends who have gone that way that the reputable farms are completely trust worthy. A friend who bought from Benny DeRuiter Stables apparently got a horse that could not jump the height they said it would, so they actually paid to have it shipped back. I suppose they just really want to keep up their reputation.

I would really like a colt under 2 years old. That’s the cheapest to ship and does not need to be quarantined for CEM. Benny Deruiter doesn’t have any young horses right now, but I really need a good word before I consider buying from a farm.

Any advice about this? Anyone know any reputable breeders?

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I would buy a colt from here but they’re so expensive and from what I’ve seen I could get a colt with much better breeding for the same price over seas![/QUOTE]

Well I beg to differ on all accounts. We breed foals every year that are equally as good as the foals you see in Europe. Our prices are less than what you can get for the same quality overseas. The biggest difference, you don’t have to pay 6k for importation. We’ve already had one Champion colt who we sold to Europe. If you’re an American buyer, why not take some more time to research what breeders are producing here. We’re working hard to be competitive with Europeans, and we are dedicated to producing horses for our American market.

Support your American Breeders and keep looking, because I guarantee you’ll find what you want!

Cheers

[jmpergrl]

Ditto what Hyperion Stud said!

[ljcfoh]

[QUOTE=xemilyx805;6243420]
Does anyone know any reputable breeders overseas? I’ve been looking into importing a nice colt, but I really don’t know any breeders over there.

I can’t pay to fly over to Europe and I don’t really know anyone who does very well, so I need a really reputable farm. I was really skeptical at first because I would need to trust a farm from just over the internet and the phone, but I’ve been told by friends who have gone that way that the reputable farms are completely trust worthy. A friend who bought from Benny DeRuiter Stables apparently got a horse that could not jump the height they said it would, so they actually paid to have it shipped back. I suppose they just really want to keep up their reputation.

I would really like a colt under 2 years old. That’s the cheapest to ship and does not need to be quarantined for CEM. Benny Deruiter doesn’t have any young horses right now, but I really need a good word before I consider buying from a farm.

Any advice about this? Anyone know any reputable breeders?

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I would buy a colt from here but they’re so expensive and from what I’ve seen I could get a colt with much better breeding for the same price over seas![/QUOTE]

I would contact Kareen Heineking of German Horse Connection – she’s great to work with and has a great eye for young horses (and older ones too! :-)) Plus she’s extremely easy to work with. Plus she often has some of her own young ones.

Good luck.

[skydy]

Oh Dear, not again…

I am happy for you, if your circumstances have improved so much from your last posts, that you are considering importing a horse…

You are 16 years old?

If you can afford to buy a horse now, then I agree, you would be better off to buy a horse here, rather than importing one.

[xemilyx805]

Yes they have tremendously, thank you for the concern. I post on here to get information and it’s not very kind of you to say things like that, to be blunt. Older posts of mine were for the same purpose, I was really looking for some kind of internship or working student position in the past and I got quite a few real answers and made many new connections.

It actually really shocked me to see that post…I’m not really quite sure what to say.

[xemilyx805]

Regarding the American bred horses, I’m sorry I didn’t at all mean to speak bad towards American breeders. The problem is that I just haven’t had many good experiences with American breeders. Well, the way that it keeps looking to me is that a cheap horse overseas with the 5000 for shipping added, is usually bred better than the horse sold here for the same price. I’ll check out your horses for sure and if you know of any American breeders that have good horses for good prices please let me know. I don’t have any aversion to American bred horses, only going off what I had seen so far.

[Jumpingrules92]

Paul Schockemohle for sure

[RyTimMick]

Hello,

As many have already stated, there are good breeders here, and young colts here that are every bit as good as the ones found in Europe. The challenge many times is knowing who to go to. Some have already done the work for you.

I would not buy horses Willy Nilly from European breeders unless you knew them personally, or had an agent that did. I only buy from breeders I know, or if I don’t know them, I will work with someone who does. This is part of the reason I go to Germany every year. Just because a breeder is reputable, doesn’t mean they won’t sell you a lower quality horse for too much money. They have to sell their lesser quality stock too. If you don’t know their horses, you can’t be a good judge.

You either need to deal with breeders you know, or find yourself an agent. Most agents know good breeders here, and also have direct contacts with breeders in Europe.

Tim

[warmbloodlover11]

I thought the same thing at first when I started looking for a horse but there are some very nice horses here in the US for the same price if not less than Europe when you take into account the cost of shipping which in reality could cost up to 10k if not more. My suggestion is to figure out what breeds you like and look up all the breeders on the registry website. Look at the inspection results and see which farms have been successful. I looked at so many breeder’s websites last summer it was insane! I started out with a couple breeds that I liked and ended up narrowing it down to one as I went through my search. You have to do hours and hours of research and find every possible breeder’s website you can. I ended up with absolutely amazing horse out a of ‘European’ stallion with a great mother line to boot. Even if you are looking for specific European bloodlines you can definitely find them here in the US!

I was on a budget as well. If this is the one chance to get the horse of your dreams then make sure you do the research, get a good vet check from a vet that does not work with the breeder/owner, and VISIT the horse! The first horse I found I thought I was going to buy for sure, but decided that if I was going to spend the money on the horse I needed to at least see it. When I got there I did not like what I saw. I did not like the horses attitude and there were conformation imperfections that did not show up on videos and I was so happy I did not buy the horse. I am by no means made of money but if you are going to put in the money for the horse then you need to do it right!

Good luck with your search!

[Equilibrium]

What you should do is spend the summer in Europe working for someone such as Schockemohle. This way you can riding in and learn about what it is you think you want. In this case a colt which will no doubt remain a stallion.

Also know this, there are no guarantees with horses. You buy something under 2 years of age, no way in hell any reputable breeder is going to fly it back because it hasn’t reached your dreams. The best bred colt may not handle being a colt, and eventually stallion, in certain environments. Breeding, training, and rider all play key parts in getting the best of each individual horse. I know of a few people who have brought horses back from America because people were not happy, but none because they bought a yearling that didn’t turn out to be an Olympic jumper.

I assume you’ve been looking online at young horses for sale and have seen some lower prices than what you think the American is offering. What you say you are looking for is expensive in any country. You’d be best learning all you can about the damlines. Know them like the back of your hand. Trust me on this board there is a good collection of people who have that knowledge. Don’t want to be taken advantage of then be informed.

I don’t think anyone is trying to put you down for being 16, but saying you want to import from Europe but don’t have the money to go there yourself isn’t exactly lending yourself credibility. Really for less than 2k you can have a pretty darn good European buying adventure.

If I were you I’d absolutely drown myself in learning all I can about damlines on the various registers. Wait a year, save more money, and buy next year. I’m sure I don’t have to add in the part about how buying a horse, any horse, is the cheapest part of the equation. I would also start looking at home. You might be surprised at what you find.

Good luck,
Terri

[Tapperjockey]

I just want to know how you’re shipping a horse over for 5000.00? Last quotes I had were over 8500.00!!!

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

I would like to add a story which is only tangentially related to the OP’s original post but may add some bit of enlightenment to guide her in her endeavor.

We had an inquiry from a young- 17- potential buyer in Canada. She had excellent credentials as a competitor, a rudimentary understanding of bloodlines, and an interest in buying a future high-level jumper from us. We spent some amount of time back-and-forth and I do believe that we were respectful and diplomatic in all our exchanges. Mindful of the difficulty inherent in raising and producing a high-level competitor, we did ask her who her trainer is —she had considerable accomplishments as a competitor—and she said that she did everything alone. We asked if there was input from her parents, perhaps— having in mind the fact that even the best of pros really do need a sounding board of some sort. No, everything was accomplished totally by herself according to her. Our question which we thought we had put to her diplomatically sufficed to make her withdraw from our exploration of what might suit her from among our young stock. A few months passed and we eventually received an email from her, boasting that she had just returned from a buying trip to Europe (her budget was quite high) and had bought a colt. AND not a single seller had asked her about trainers or parents, so there!

Our short reply was to wish her good luck for the future and that, of course, they didn’t ask, hers was an easy sale.

[Home_Again_Farm]

@xemilyx805;6244248

Regarding the American bred horses, I’m sorry I didn’t at all mean to speak bad towards American breeders. The problem is that I just haven’t had many good experiences with American breeders. Well, the way that it keeps looking to me is that a cheap horse overseas with the 5000 for shipping added, is usually bred better than the horse sold here for the same price. I’ll check out your horses for sure and if you know of any American breeders that have good horses for good prices please let me know. I don’t have any aversion to American bred horses, only going off what I had seen so far.

Oops. I failed to read the last bit of your original post when I replied above. You are quite mistaken about the quality of the better horses being bred here. There are quite a few breeders who post on this board (and probably quite a few who do not) who are breeding youngsters that are equal to the better bred youngsters in Europe. That is a fact. Breeders have improved their mare bases tremendously. Youngsters with bloodlines that are the same as those offered in Europe are readily available. You obviously have not been looking in the right places. :winkgrin:

[PineTreeFarm]

@Sakura Hill Farm;6244830

I would like to add a story which is only tangentially related to the OP’s original post but may add some bit of enlightenment to guide her in her endeavor.

We had an inquiry from a young- 17- potential buyer in Canada. She had excellent credentials as a competitor, a rudimentary understanding of bloodlines, and an interest in buying a future high-level jumper from us. We spent some amount of time back-and-forth and I do believe that we were respectful and diplomatic in all our exchanges. Mindful of the difficulty inherent in raising and producing a high-level competitor, we did ask her who her trainer is —she had considerable accomplishments as a competitor—and she said that she did everything alone. We asked if there was input from her parents, perhaps— having in mind the fact that even the best of pros really do need a sounding board of some sort. No, everything was accomplished totally by herself according to her. Our question which we thought we had put to her diplomatically sufficed to make her withdraw from our exploration of what might suit her from among our young stock. A few months passed and we eventually received an email from her, boasting that she had just returned from a buying trip to Europe (her budget was quite high) and had bought a colt. AND not a single seller had asked her about trainers or parents, so there!

Our short reply was to wish her good luck for the future and that, of course, they didn’t ask, hers was an easy sale.

Perhaps your insisting on knowing who the trainer was caused the buyer to be unresponsive.
I certainly would not feel it’s any of your business to ask who my trainer is and would probably have politely told you I was no longer interested in the deal.
Disclosing a trainer name can cause lots of foolish drama. Especially because many of the US breeders aren’t particularly involved in competition in the H/J world and don’t know who the players are anyway.

If I’m buying through one of my trainers that’s a different situation and all the agents should be disclosed.

I either buy very young horses or am involved in breeding for myself to show. Because of that focus I only buy domestic horses but if I was looking for a ready to show 3’6" horse I’d be buying in Europe because there just isn’t much produced here with a decent H/J record. And the selection of 3’6" horses here is very small. In Europe there are lots of look at and the prices are less than trying to buy an already showing horse with a good competition record.

[Krallen]

It is easy to internet shop horse ads in Europe and believe horses with big name bloodlines are cheaper there. But the true super quality horses in Europe are typically more expensive than similar ones in the US. They are just easier to find in Europe. You’ll pay for quality either way.

If you are still wanting to purchase in Europe and want people to recommend contacts, you should list what breed or discipline you are looking for.

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

Pine Tree…are you 17?

And we A) were not insistent having merely asked a question very diplomatically and B) are ourselves very familiar with the “players”, in Canada, Europe and the US.

We ourselves would run the other way from a potential buyer who was unable to answer our diplomatically-posited questions about whether they had contemplated the challenges of the future inherent in raising and producing an upper level jumper prospect that they were considering acquiring from us.

[PineTreeFarm]

@Sakura Hill Farm;6244982

Pine Tree…are you 17?

And we A) were not insistent having merely asked a question very diplomatically and B) are ourselves very familiar with the “players”, in Canada, Europe and the US.

We ourselves would run the other way from a potential buyer who was unable to answer our diplomatically-posited questions about whether they had contemplated the challenges of the future inherent in raising and producing an upper level jumper prospect that they were considering acquiring from us.

Based on your response I can see why the buyer departed. LOL
Way too Junior High School.