[QUOTE=Countrywood;8228521]
I questioned whether to even respond but am curious how proposing ( as an idea) legislation to help animals mean I lack empathy for people especially poor ones? ??[/QUOTE]
Legislation won’t work, education has a better chance.
But not your style… 
[QUOTE=Countrywood;8228521]
I questioned whether to even respond but am curious how proposing ( as an idea) legislation to help animals mean I lack empathy for people especially poor ones? ??[/QUOTE]
Your recommendation is ONLY speuter and fines.
You do not seem to see the results of your legislation would harm animals instead of benefit them; would cause excessive expense to ‘good’ owners and not affect ‘bad’ ones.
In short, we are refuting your proposal and pointing out the ways and reasons the proposal is not viable nor helpful to animals. You disagree with us.
If you are proposing in-home inspections of (non-existent) kennels, perhaps we should expand that to inspections of all homes with children so they measure up to hospital and day-care standards: surely child-rearing is of higher value to a society?
[QUOTE=Alagirl;8228541]
Legislation won’t work, education has a better chance.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. As I mentioned in my earlier post, a GOOD spay/neuter marketing campaign might make some inroads, if it appeals to basic human nature at the lowest common denominator.
This is exactly what the anti-smoking campaigns did. See, young smokers didn’t care if they might get cancer if they’re still alive 50 years from now. They DID care that smoking was making them unattractive and even “gross” to the opposite sex. The anti-smoking campaigns have been quite successful, even among the hardest-to-impact audiences, once they abandoned the intellectual approach and appealed to base instincts. The population that most needed to accept the anti-smoking message is probably in large part the same population that needs to accept spay/neuter. There is much room for progress here… with a different approach.
[QUOTE=RackNRoll;8228504]
Actually, she’s not proposing educating pet owners. She’s proposing forcing every dog and cat owner to spay/neuter unless they submit to licensing, home inspections, and can prove a good enough reason to breed. It’s the time honored “punish the innocent” approach. Hoarders, dog fighters, and all the garden variety irresponsible people simply ignore such constrictions and nothing changes.
My region of the country has virtually no public mental health care system at all and child protection caseworkers have active caseloads of over 300 neglected and abused children EACH. Good luck getting funding for legions of Pet Cops… that’s so far down the priority list as to be laughable.[/QUOTE]
The millions of unwanted pets that become the burden of taxpayers could in fact drive an uptick in legislation and “Pet Cops”. I bet a compelling business case could be written with a good ROI. Add to that the sentimental value and you’ve got a winner!
[QUOTE=JBD;8228727]
The millions of unwanted pets that become the burden of taxpayers could in fact drive an uptick in legislation and “Pet Cops”. I bet a compelling business case could be written with a good ROI. Add to that the sentimental value and you’ve got a winner![/QUOTE]
Really? I’m not sure that the cost burden is that strong. I’m not sure that the majority of the public support anything but basic care and quick euthanasia for the masses of discarded pets. I certainly don’t. Government resources are finite and my priorities benefit humans, like seniors, the disabled, children…
[QUOTE=rugbygirl;8228730]
Really? I’m not sure that the cost burden is that strong. I’m not sure that the majority of the public support anything but basic care and quick euthanasia for the masses of discarded pets. I certainly don’t. Government resources are finite and my priorities benefit humans, like seniors, the disabled, children…[/QUOTE]
I agree; I think the number of people that are willing to dump pets at shelters would easily balance out the number that would feel a strong sentimental pull on this issue. If there was enough sentimental value placed on DOGS (not just cute wee little puppies) we would not face this issue to begin with.
You’d be left with some normal, caring people that realistically have to divide up limited resources…and unwanted dogs really aren’t going outweigh homeless humans, children in foster care, and senior citizens (among the bazillions of other care needs in our society.)
[QUOTE=D_BaldStockings;8228552]
If you are proposing in-home inspections of (non-existent) kennels, perhaps we should expand that to inspections of all homes with children so they measure up to hospital and day-care standards: surely child-rearing is of higher value to a society?[/QUOTE]
Hey now, my daughter crate trained herself at like 18 months!! She would get her sippy cup and bowl of Cheerios and go crawl in! :lol: I actually have a video of her sitting in the puppy’s crate, reaching out and slamming the door back shut every time I opened it. I would share it but then I’d wind up getting in trouble like that poor guy who posted the photo of his kid in the crate.
lol I don’t see families raising hundreds of children that are then put up for sale on Craigslist!
That said, sure, I’d like to see more funds go toward child abuse prevention and call kinds of social programs. How about we start by cutting our military budget a few percent and use the money to help our citizens…when I run for presentiment…
I’d rather see us cut some senators and upper level governments pay. You cuz military budget and you know that’s coming straight out of the pay of the troops, who are already grossly underpaid for what they do.
A lot of the military budget is waste and fraud on the contractor side. Haliburton, anyone…I’d like to see troops be diverted to clean up our crumbling inner cities…where the boarded up buildings and wreckage and crime making living there a war zone. Retrain some of the troops who can’t find jobs for social programs a domestic peace corps (which can also inspect kennels lol )
There is so much we can do besides having a military budget that is three times that of other nations…they use their $ to help their own citizens which is why we are behind many of them in education and health issues etc.
Popcorn
Deleted. I don’t want to wake the sleeping dog…
[QUOTE=Horsegal984;8228907]
Hey now, my daughter crate trained herself at like 18 months!! She would get her sippy cup and bowl of Cheerios and go crawl in! I actually have a video of her sitting in the puppy’s crate, reaching out and slamming the door back shut every time I opened it.[/QUOTE]
That is hysterical!! :lol: My friend’s toddler loves to crawl into the dogs’ beds and crates. He did so at my house, with my smaller crates. I suggested she put the phone down and not snap any kid-in-crate photos.
My parents took a photo of my kid sitting in the dog’s house (the dogs don’t fit in it, the kid does) and were surprised when I asked them not to post it to Facebook…
Legislation only works if there is a large enough consequence to deter the behavior. We’re talking huge fines and rewards for those who turn them in. I don’t think most of us would go along with that kind of legislation.
Education, low cost spay and neuter is the answer. Some areas of the country are going to need a good deal more education than others because the care and treatment of dogs and cats is cultural.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;8229110]
Education, low cost spay and neuter is the answer. Some areas of the country are going to need a good deal more education than others because the care and treatment of dogs and cats is cultural.[/QUOTE]
It is.
And if the culture has a lot of catching up to do in regard of treatment of children…cats and dogs just don’t make the first cut on the importance scale…
[QUOTE=Alagirl;8229160]
It is.
And if the culture has a lot of catching up to do in regard of treatment of children…cats and dogs just don’t make the first cut on the importance scale…[/QUOTE]
We can do both.
[QUOTE=LauraKY;8229369]
We can do both.[/QUOTE]
The animals might be a beneficial side effect.
But the emphasis should not be on animals over people.
Many times child abuse /neglect and animal abuse /neglect are related. . Animal abusers are frequently child abusers. An investigation into one can uncover the other Law enforcement and AC agents often share information and work together. Domestic batterers use violence against pets or threats against them to intimidate and control partners.
The monies spent for social services for people far exceeds any small amount spent on animals. Compare the budget for each in any county or state.
The unfortunate fact that areas of social services for people are under funded typically is related to people’s attitudes about taxes and who they elect and other reasons. Which is why much of animal welfare is funded by private donations and done by volunteers since there is so little spent on it .
[QUOTE=rugbygirl;8228730]
Really? I’m not sure that the cost burden is that strong. I’m not sure that the majority of the public support anything but basic care and quick euthanasia for the masses of discarded pets. I certainly don’t. Government resources are finite and my priorities benefit humans, like seniors, the disabled, children…[/QUOTE]
The City of Dallas budget for Animal services is $7.6 million. And that’s for a shelter that routinely euthanizes half it’s intake. They are trying but the burden from homeless, stray and owner surrendered dogs is massive. They are doing more sponsoring of funded pet services like vaccinations and spay/neuter.
But eventually I think there will need to be some penalties for being part of the problem. I agree that some people will never fix or care for their pets. So there could be disincentives for a-holes to be pet owners.
[QUOTE=JBD;8231605]
But eventually I think there will need to be some penalties for being part of the problem. I agree that some people will never fix or care for their pets. So there could be disincentives for a-holes to be pet owners.[/QUOTE]
Wow…
Simply
Speechless.
[QUOTE=Alagirl;8231672]
Wow…
Simply
Speechless.[/QUOTE]
Why are you speechless? Don’t you think laws that mandate spay/neuter and pet licensing should be enforced? And shouldn’t pet abuse and cruelty be punished as the crime it is?
Actually, I kind of like you speechless, carry on.
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