Rescue organizations keep puppy mills in business--open vent/rant

[chism]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8208483]
Well I guess I’ll have to settle on the time window because I’m not willing to settle on the breed type/age/gender. Nor should I.

Ps. Dissent away.[/QUOTE]

Nor should you. I’ve been turned away for the “no fence” thing too, despite being a competent owner with almost 30 years successful experience with multiple dogs of a known to be difficult breed (Rhodesians) with nary a fence. I hate being discriminated against and lumped in with the idiots. Excuse me, I know how to train a dog.
I also completely understand losing a beloved dog and wanting to fill that hole in your heart and life with a dog who can “almost” fill their shoes. You want what you want, and you’ll find it… it may just take some time. Good luck.

Edit - I’m happy for you that you found the dog you were looking for. Good luck with him.

[Countrywood]

I watch the show “Pit Bulls and Parolees”. One of their requirements is a fenced yard (for adoptions to a house ) . An amazing thing happens…people who want a dog from them put up a fence. Those who don’t want to, don’t. Free choice.

Most county shelters have low standards and most will adopt to anyone who walks in basically. So if someone goes to a rescue instead of a shelter, they hope to get something …a puppy or specific breed, or a dog that has been fostered, etc. The problem seems to be outrage if the rescue has conditions in return. I fail to see what is so offensive about being rejected for not having a fence. One can always put a fence in but if you dont’ want to, simply walk away.

I personally feel the rescues described as overly strict would be better off with some looser standards to place dogs or puppies more easily. But, I don’t volunteer in any of these rescues so it’s just my opinion , the people showing up doing the work are what count.

[Sswor]

Yup, thank goodness for free choice. Free choice allowed me to find the perfect puppy at a reasonable price from the Amish.

chism–I know what you mean about being lumped in with the idiots. And rescues wonder why they are overrun with dogs. Maybe they should try adopting them out once in awhile.

[chism]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8232150]
Yup, thank goodness for free choice. Free choice allowed me to find the perfect puppy at a reasonable price from the Amish.

chism–I know what you mean about being lumped in with the idiots. And rescues wonder why they are overrun with dogs. Maybe they should try adopting them out once in awhile.[/QUOTE]

There was something going around a while back on the internet… a former rescue worker apologizing to the people she turned away because they weren’t “PERFECT”. She realized after years of doing rescue that her good intentions kept many dogs from finding homes, so instead…they languished in the shelter. Life is not perfect, people are not perfect, a safe, loving home is what’s important. Of course they’ll be failures, but if it makes a difference to ONE dog, give the benefit of a doubt. Living in a cage in a shelter is NO life at all for such a highly social animal.

I don’t intend to paint rescues as bad, they aren’t. They do a wonderful service, and honestly…sometimes people just suck. I just think sometimes, a little less rigidity would get more dogs out of the shelter and in loving homes, where they belong.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8232150]
Yup, thank goodness for free choice. Free choice allowed me to find the perfect puppy at a reasonable price from the Amish.

chism–I know what you mean about being lumped in with the idiots. And rescues wonder why they are overrun with dogs. Maybe they should try adopting them out once in awhile.[/QUOTE]

You’re really on a smug self righteous roll, aren’t you? What’s up with you?

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;8232288]
You’re really on a smug self righteous roll, aren’t you? What’s up with you?[/QUOTE]

I guess she ran into one too many Countrywoods…

I can’t exactly say I can blame her, after this highly enlightening conversation here the last couple of weeks.

I mean…
you go to a rescue, you are already screwed: If you need to rehome an animal, you are an abuser (thus scum), and if you try to adopt, you are a possible abuser…can’t really win there, can you…

of course, not all rescues operate this way, and not all shelters are this narrow minded.
Unfortunately we tend to hear only about the bad ones.
Which in turn hurts the good ones (and the defenders are like bulls in the china shop…really putting the icing on by putting people on the defensive)

The OP though seems to have very specific requirements for her dog.
That’s not a good candidate for shelters…the chances are minimal to find what you look for.

But snce it’s not a recognized breed, you won’t find a lot of ‘good’ breeders…or shall I say acceptable breeders.

And of course, we all know that all Amish are a basket short of a picnic and abuse all their animals…Holy Stereotype…

(I am a little soured on stereotypes this week…it seems those who are most hurt about being type cast are also those who use it most to defend themselves…oye…)

[chism]

This is interesting in light of why many dogs end up in shelters in the first place…

http://www.upworthy.com/this-woman-doesnt-want-to-rescue-dogs-she-wants-to-make-sure-their-owners-never-give-them-away?c=ufb1

[rugbygirl]

[QUOTE=chism;8232357]
This is interesting in light of why many dogs end up in shelters in the first place…

http://www.upworthy.com/this-woman-doesnt-want-to-rescue-dogs-she-wants-to-make-sure-their-owners-never-give-them-away?c=ufb1[/QUOTE]

Yes, her. She’s the kind of person that should be interviewed on animal issues. Less of the countrywood type, please.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=chism;8232357]
This is interesting in light of why many dogs end up in shelters in the first place…

http://www.upworthy.com/this-woman-doesnt-want-to-rescue-dogs-she-wants-to-make-sure-their-owners-never-give-them-away?c=ufb1[/QUOTE]

Thank you for sharing that!
A silver lining!

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=rugbygirl;8232366]
Yes, her. She’s the kind of person that should be interviewed on animal issues. Less of the countrywood type, please.[/QUOTE]

Indeed!

[JBD]

[QUOTE=chism;8232357]
This is interesting in light of why many dogs end up in shelters in the first place…

http://www.upworthy.com/this-woman-doesnt-want-to-rescue-dogs-she-wants-to-make-sure-their-owners-never-give-them-away?c=ufb1[/QUOTE]

Sounds like she’s doing great work trying to meet the needs of an financially challenged area. This would be a good tool in many areas in addition to what already exists. Why don’t those of you who are so concerned that others sit in judgement volunteer for a community outreach program like this? Otherwise it’s just blah, blah, blah

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=JBD;8231828]
Why are you speechless? Don’t you think laws that mandate spay/neuter and pet licensing should be enforced? And shouldn’t pet abuse and cruelty be punished as the crime it is?

Actually, I kind of like you speechless, carry on.[/QUOTE]

The broad brush…does not leave room for nuances.

legislate and enforce, PUNISH, a-hole pet owners…

Yes, indeed, speechless…

That makes your comment regarding the outreach program in Ky all the more - blah blah…

[rugbygirl]

I do? Several? Maybe that’s where I learned that there are more “good” ways to do things than just the one I espouse.

Gosh I even LEARN from people in community outreach! It’s actually not about teaching the ignorant masses, you know?

[chism]

[QUOTE=JBD;8232385]
Sounds like she’s doing great work trying to meet the needs of an financially challenged area. This would be a good tool in many areas in addition to what already exists. Why don’t those of you who are so concerned that others sit in judgement volunteer for a community outreach program like this? Otherwise it’s just blah, blah, blah[/QUOTE]

I haven’t posted much, mostly because the people who share my POV are doing it very well already, but what makes you think we aren’t involved already?
While I haven’t done community outreach, I’ve been involved in breed rescue and horse rescue.

[chism]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232394]
The broad brush…does not leave room for nuances.

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This may be my new sig line… LOVE IT.

[chism]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232394]
The broad brush…does not leave room for nuances.

/QUOTE]

I may steal this for my new sig line… love it.

[chism]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232394]
The broad brush…does not leave room for nuances.

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I love this…I’m in need of a new sig line…

[LauraKY]

Alagirl, it wasn’t that rescues wouldn’t adopt to her, it was that she wanted a particular breed, of a particular age and she wanted it NOW. Are some rescues over the top crazy? Yes. Are some scams run by nutty zealots? Yes. I’ve seen some of those in person. But there are good ones out there too. There are good breeders out there, even of the mixed breed that the OP wanted. But she wanted a puppy NOW. It doesn’t work that way if you want to buy a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder. They breed for demand, not for sale on craigslist. By the way, I regularly turn those craigslist breeders into the KY Dept. of Revenue for failure to collect and pay sales tax. Works like a charm.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;8232479]
Alagirl, it wasn’t that rescues wouldn’t adopt to her, it was that she wanted a particular breed, of a particular age and she wanted it NOW. Are some rescues over the top crazy? Yes. Are some scams run by nutty zealots? Yes. I’ve seen some of those in person. But there are good ones out there too. There are good breeders out there, even of the mixed breed that the OP wanted. But she wanted a puppy NOW. It doesn’t work that way if you want to buy a healthy puppy from a reputable breeder. They breed for demand, not for sale on craigslist. By the way, I regularly turn those craigslist breeders into the KY Dept. of Revenue for failure to collect and pay sales tax. Works like a charm.[/QUOTE]

I am not quite sure what your beef is with the OP.
She knows what dog ownership entails, she did not just grab one in the parking lot of walmart.
She looked through the socially acceptable channels and came up empty.

How is that less acceptable than the impulse shopper on CL?

I do not like the general designer mutt producing industry, but for once I can actually see a purpose in the crazy mix. Unlike in cocka- Poo- or Chis…

[Marshfield]

[QUOTE=Sswor;8232150]
Yup, thank goodness for free choice. Free choice allowed me to find the perfect puppy at a reasonable price from the Amish.

chism–I know what you mean about being lumped in with the idiots. And rescues wonder why they are overrun with dogs. Maybe they should try adopting them out once in awhile.[/QUOTE]

So, you provided financial reward to someone who either deliberately bred without doing the proper health testing on the parents (the list for cattle dogs being much bigger than I would have guessed) or was irresponsible with an intact bitch and had an unplanned pregnancy and you’re proud of yourself??? There is NO valid excuse for breeding without health testing. A GP veterinarian can do most health testing. Either way, you provided financial incentive for somebody irresponsible to keep being irresponsible and continue contributing to dogs going in to rescue. You bought a mix which isn’t suitable for most homes. So, your puppy may have a home for life, but doubt the same can be said for his littermates.