Rescue organizations keep puppy mills in business--open vent/rant

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8228919]
A lot of the military budget is waste and fraud on the contractor side. Haliburton, anyone…I’d like to see troops be diverted to clean up our crumbling inner cities…where the boarded up buildings and wreckage and crime making living there a war zone. Retrain some of the troops who can’t find jobs for social programs a domestic peace corps (which can also inspect kennels lol )

There is so much we can do besides having a military budget that is three times that of other nations…they use their $ to help their own citizens which is why we are behind many of them in education and health issues etc.[/QUOTE]

What a bunch of hogwash! use troops to clean up the trash!!! NO! HELL NO!!! Why not use the welfare recipients or the people who made the mess !!! I cannot believe ANYONE would suggest this misuse of our military! I am outraged by such ignorance!!!

Where did I say they should clean up trash? I said they can be part of a domestic peace corps . I suppose you’d rather see troops that return home remain unemployed, which so many of them are? I am outraged at YOUR ignorance.

Why are all the crazies coming out in this thread? I’ve been on this board for years never seen anything like it.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8232669]
Where did I say they should clean up trash? I said they can be part of a domestic peace corps . I suppose you’d rather see troops that return home remain unemployed, which so many of them are? I am outraged at YOUR ignorance.[/QUOTE]

OUTRAGE!!!

Good for you.

But yeah, your train of thought isn’t very clear on that.

But lets not hop down that bunny trail, it’s trapped with smoke and mirrors.

With regards to health testing…

I read alot of posts about health testing being done by responsible breeders… i just want to caution everyone that sadly, there are so many health issues that have no genetic tests yet. Responsible breeders should and will do all the testing available, but even screenings for issues like hip and elbow dysplasia are not 100% accurate. All any intelligent puppy buyer can do is ask to see test results or check on line at places like the OFA or CHIC websites.

The other reason that there are so many health issues that have not been researched is because there is not the funding available for the research to be done. Thankfully, many breed clubs are funding research work that is breed specific but can also be carried over to other breeds. You can go to the AKC CHF website and see the wonderful programs that are being funded!

Health testing is just one more tool for a responsible breeder to use when planning a breeding… and one more tool for a buyer to use in determing whether or not to buy from a specific kennel…

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8232669]
Where did I say they should clean up trash? I said they can be part of a domestic peace corps . I suppose you’d rather see troops that return home remain unemployed, which so many of them are? I am outraged at YOUR ignorance.[/QUOTE]

I am retired military and continue to work for the military ! Believe me, the returning troops do not want to be part of a peace corps! They want real jobs if they are leaving the military !

Countrywood, responding to a ludicrous suggestion with a vehement reaction doesn’t make someone “a crazy.”

Any more than the presence of a dog door, or unfixed other pet makes someone an unfit home for a rescue dog.

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8232671]
Why are all the crazies coming out in this thread? I’ve been on this board for years never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE]
The crazies on this board might be those like yourself who want to tell pet owners what dog to own, how to take care of it, where to find it and how many hoops to jump through in order to own a dog.
Do you belong to HSUS or PETA? Sounds like it sometimes.

Not just tell them, pezk, enact FEDERAL LEGISLATION.

[QUOTE=rugbygirl;8232761]
Not just tell them, pezk, enact FEDERAL LEGISLATION.[/QUOTE]

PUNISHMENT!!!

[QUOTE=Countrywood;8232671]
Why are all the crazies coming out in this thread? I’ve been on this board for years never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE]

Who?
People who disagree with you?

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232523]
I am not quite sure what your beef is with the OP.
She knows what dog ownership entails, she did not just grab one in the parking lot of walmart.
She looked through the socially acceptable channels and came up empty.

How is that less acceptable than the impulse shopper on CL?

I do not like the general designer mutt producing industry, but for once I can actually see a purpose in the crazy mix. Unlike in cocka- Poo- or Chis…[/QUOTE]

It’s not less acceptable. It’s the same.

[QUOTE=rugbygirl;8232761]
Not just tell them, pezk, enact FEDERAL LEGISLATION.[/QUOTE]

As if the Feds don’t have more important stuff to work on - like the economy, health care, ISIS, etc etc.
I’m guessing in most places laws already exist to deal with abuse and cruelty. If they aren’t being enforced then they need to be. But to tell pet owners, breeders, etc that they aren’t allowed to breed their dog, horse, parakeet etc or where you should go to buy an animal, or what kind, and how to take care of it is another example of animal rights activists wanting to get rid of all animal ownership or only allow it for a select few.
Yes in places there is a pet overpopulation problem, but enacting laws to force mandatory S/n, etc is not the way to reduce animal pop. Education, reasonable and sometimes free s/n, basic vet care, might get the activists further than punishing laws.

[QUOTE=chism;8232409]
I haven’t posted much, mostly because the people who share my POV are doing it very well already, but what makes you think we aren’t involved already?
While I haven’t done community outreach, I’ve been involved in breed rescue and horse rescue.[/QUOTE]
My remark was obviously not a one size fits all and not aimed at you. If the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232394]
The broad brush…does not leave room for nuances.

legislate and enforce, PUNISH, a-hole pet owners…

Yes, indeed, speechless…

That makes your comment regarding the outreach program in Ky all the more - blah blah…[/QUOTE]

The nuances in this thread seem to be that rescues should realize what special snowflakes some of us are and intuit that adoption guidelines need not be followed.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;8232523]
I am not quite sure what your beef is with the OP.
She knows what dog ownership entails, she did not just grab one in the parking lot of walmart.
She looked through the socially acceptable channels and came up empty.

How is that less acceptable than the impulse shopper on CL?

I do not like the general designer mutt producing industry, but for once I can actually see a purpose in the crazy mix. Unlike in cocka- Poo- or Chis…[/QUOTE]

My issue is that it’s not like she wanted a Lab, say under 2, that there’s literally 100s of in rescues that kept saying “No, you can’t have our dogs!” It’s that OP used her desire for exact mix, male, must be young puppy, and it must be right now, to then bash rescue groups.

I guess I just don’t see a bunch of acceptable to OP puppies sitting in rescues that all turned her down. So I think it’s a bit unfair of her to come on bashing all rescues for not giving her something they don’t have?

I also find the OP’s lack of willingness to answer questions about what, if any, health info she got on the parents, if she even saw the parents, and where they kept troubling. I feel it’s a bit of playing ostrich, Sticking ones head in the sand so they can pretend to think they didn’t support one of the bad people, just one of the good ones.

[QUOTE=Horsegal984;8232878]
My issue is that it’s not like she wanted a Lab, say under 2, that there’s literally 100s of in rescues that kept saying “No, you can’t have our dogs!” It’s that OP used her desire for exact mix, male, must be young puppy, and it must be right now, to then bash rescue groups.

I guess I just don’t see a bunch of acceptable to OP puppies sitting in rescues that all turned her down. So I think it’s a bit unfair of her to come on bashing all rescues for not giving her something they don’t have?

I also find the OP’s lack of willingness to answer questions about what, if any, health info she got on the parents, if she even saw the parents, and where they kept troubling. I feel it’s a bit of playing ostrich, Sticking ones head in the sand so they can pretend to think they didn’t support one of the bad people, just one of the good ones.[/QUOTE]

At this point, why would she.

As many folks she had particular ideas of the pet she wanted, so what does it matter what kind it was.

She ran into enough rescue attitude, and probably the suggestions that, oh, we don’t have a cattle jack, how about a a peekapoo…or a newfie mastif.

I come to detest the dog scene: you either have to buy the super specialized, from championship bloodlines purebred, or accept the mutt the local shelter has.

There is no gray area acceptable.

But like with horses I come to believe, there is more out there. People who care while breeding, even if they don’t spend a fortune on health tests.
I mean, in the olden days, they managed without that as well, like with horses, keeping track of the traits.
Kind of like the idea that one has to have 5-10k of emergency funds for vet bills handy…regardless of age or condition of the animal.

But it’s cool, I suppose, price the middle class out of ownership, penalize the lower class, then the top tier is ripe for the picking.
Ownership - done!

[QUOTE=Horsegal984;8232878]
My issue is that it’s not like she wanted a Lab, say under 2, that there’s literally 100s of in rescues that kept saying “No, you can’t have our dogs!” It’s that OP used her desire for exact mix, male, must be young puppy, and it must be right now, to then bash rescue groups.

I guess I just don’t see a bunch of acceptable to OP puppies sitting in rescues that all turned her down. So I think it’s a bit unfair of her to come on bashing all rescues for not giving her something they don’t have?

I also find the OP’s lack of willingness to answer questions about what, if any, health info she got on the parents, if she even saw the parents, and where they kept troubling. I feel it’s a bit of pla

Ok…so I dont’ know the OP , have no dog in this fight other than my own opinion on the matter…but I challenge all of you who have this same argument to go back and read the first post on this thread. Ok…? The information posted about what kind of dog and what time frame OP was looking for were not posted in that original post, that was just information added later. Nowhere does it say "The rescue didnt’ give me the type of dog I wanted in a nanosecond so now I’m angry.
In regards to the rest of it… I imagine I would be a bit like the OP, it’s not my job to dance on a string for those of you who feel I MUST prove to you that I met YOUR expectations of who, what, where, when and why in order for you to validate MY choice.

[QUOTE=Horsegal984;8232878]
My issue is that it’s not like she wanted a Lab, say under 2, that there’s literally 100s of in rescues that kept saying “No, you can’t have our dogs!” It’s that OP used her desire for exact mix, male, must be young puppy, and it must be right now, to then bash rescue groups.

I guess I just don’t see a bunch of acceptable to OP puppies sitting in rescues that all turned her down. So I think it’s a bit unfair of her to come on bashing all rescues for not giving her something they don’t have?

I also find the OP’s lack of willingness to answer questions about what, if any, health info she got on the parents, if she even saw the parents, and where they kept troubling. I feel it’s a bit of playing ostrich, Sticking ones head in the sand so they can pretend to think they didn’t support one of the bad people, just one of the good ones.[/QUOTE]

Ok…so I dont’ know the OP , have no dog in this fight other than my own opinion on the matter…but I challenge all of you who have this same argument to go back and read the first post on this thread. Ok…? The OP mentioned specifics about not being the type of home the rescue wanted to approve. The information posted about what kind of dog and what time frame OP was looking for were not posted in that original post, that was just information added later. That does not add up to “They couldn’t provide me with the exact type of dog I wanted in a nanosecond so now I’m angry so I’m going to bash rescues”.
In regards to the rest of it… I imagine I would be a bit like the OP, it’s not my job (or your right) for me to dance on a string for those of you who feel I MUST prove to you that I met YOUR expectations of who, what, where, when and why in order for you to validate MY choice.

Hi, guess what, I got the perfect puppy at a reasonable price and he’s fit into my home and family like a glove. My bitch adores him. Why? Because I got the right dog, of the right gender, right breed type, and right age, at the right time, for me and my life. And guess what, it’s perfect. He’s perfect. Everything is flipping perfect. I can’t wait to enroll him with the local agility club. He’s smart as a whip and athletic as all get out. He’s got moves like like Nero from the Matrix. He’s PERFECT. I’m going to send Mr. Amish a thank you card and maybe a gift basket.

I live my entire life in an effort to be responsible and live in a way that contributes to the social good always and in everything. I tried to work with a rescue when a void was created by my beloved dog’s death. I’m not in the mood to be looked down upon by some crazy internet self proclaimed dog goddess mean girl club when I just spent the last 60 days desperately trying to save my dog’s life when money was no object and nothing was more important and I would have traded anything in the world for his health and well being–to be considered UNFIT and IRRESPONSIBLE is complete bullshit.