This, over and over again.
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I know Iâm being a bit silly writing this and I know we will all still use the term pedophile but technically a pedophile likes pre pubescent children.
Hebephilia is defined as a chronophilia in which an adult has a strong and persistent sexual interest in pubescent children , typically children aged 11â14, although the age of onset and completion of puberty vary.
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I donât think you are being silly. It is important to be accurate, and I can understand what you are saying. But⊠as the parent of a 10 year old, and a child who is a month shy of their 13th birthday⊠I see kids in this age group daily⊠both my own kids, and their friends. Though âhebephiliaâ is a technically accurate term⊠I actually deliberately chose to describe RF as a pedophile. I did so, because I am so SICK AND TIRED of a group of individuals in the jumper community who seem heck bent on commenting on Facebook and legitimizing sexual relationships (past and present) between adult coaches and teenage students. These people rely upon everyone else mentally picturing teenagers as more mature than the actual, real life human beings involved in many of these well known SafeSport cases were. Many of the victims of some of the big names on the USEF SafeSport list who were victimized as teens were NOT kids that looked older than their years, acted extra mature and sophisticated, etc. Actually, in a specific few of the known cases⊠the opposite was true. The victims were teens who looked smaller and younger than their technical ages.
I do know exactly what a pre teen child still in the pony stages looks like. Itâs part of my daily life. And thatâs what the victim was when the predator first set eyes upon her. People seem to have missed that part of this story, when commenting things like, âOh, the age of consent in Oregon is 18, and these actions took place when she was 16 and 17.â To me, the fact that he met her when she was 11, and then this happened? Heâs a compulsive predator, and the more commonly used word, âpedophileâ , drives home how psychologically screwed up this man is better than the word âhebophile.â
I hope that makes sense⊠but I do understand what you are sayingâŠ
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I am no less disgusted than you. At one point of my career I was part of prosecuting these types of cases - and more - and they are always disgusting and never ok.
I remember reading George Morrisâ book and I personally found it reprehensible on numerous levels.
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I canât imagine working day in and day out on these sorts of cases. It must be psychologically tough.
Morrisâ book was so flagrant. Kinda sad to look back on the London 2012 team. One member has now been arrested, and the Chef DâEquipe from that era is nothing short of notorious.
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To be fair we donât know what his preference isâŠhe could have settled for what was there and easy to groom. Could be others younger. Be waiting for the details at trial over here.
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Itâs far, far psychologically tougher to be the victim and the victimâs family of childhood sex crimes.
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Yes. I understand that all too well.
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Now she is - but was vilified when her name first came out - even on these boards.
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The criterion isnât attending rated shows or not. I think itâs being a member of USEF or not.
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She was vilified on these forums? One thing the forums have been pretty consistent on is supporting survivors of abuse over the last few years. Facebook has been an ugly cluster f**k in the comments sections each time one of these stories comes out, and the Chronicle or HorseNetwork reports on it. That I will give you. But in the forums themselves, many people have come together to speak out on behalf of victims, and against abusers. Over and over. Even though some of us disagree on all sorts of other issues⊠we can mostly agree that the sexual predators still lurking in the sport are soulless ghouls, and we want them stopped and held accountable.
Maybe Iâm missing some particular commentary that happened about this case? But I havenât seen vilification of the victim on these forumsâŠ
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Most individuals who do not show rated do not join USEF. For riders attending schooling shows or local association shows theyâll sign up for their respective associations and never be a part of USEF. I think that was Equkellyâs point.
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Are you saying that somebody on the safe sport suspension list who is not a USEF member could still attend rated shows as a non-member? That does not sound correct.
I keep seeing the age of consent argument and it baffles me. He was at the time in his late 50s to sixties and he was her coach who controlled access to important opportunities she cared deeply about and was working incredibly hard for. Consent is not possible in that dynamic, which is why Oregon state law specifically criminalizes coaches preying on their students in this way.
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I find it fascinating that, unlike the Rob Gage and Jimmy Williams suspensions (and the brief Ali Nilforushan suspension), I havenât seen one post or comment defending Rich Fellers since the arrest. Not that I know everyone, but I sure saw a lot of support for the others and I am based on the West Coast.
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Yes, in previous threads here, sadly, GM and RG had some vocal, persistent defenders. I know that one of the most egregious has since been banned, and I hope others have as well, because I wore myself out posting in those horrible threads.
I am hoping that with this case, with Maggie Kehring and the Fellers, that the tide has finally turned, and people are willing to admit that having sex with your teenage students, is, you knowâŠbad.
I donât remember who said it, but some wise person said that the only reason Anne Kursinki was believed over Jimmy Williams is that she had more Olympic medals than he did.
Never mind that she was 11 when he first had penetrative sex with her, and never mind that her account was corroborated by multiple other former female students.
In 2018, she was only believed because her star shone brighter than Jimmyâs; that she survived and continued to be successful without his influence.
I sincerely hope we have moved on to a place where we donât immediately question the motives of the accusers and give the abusers the benefit of the doubt.
I hope, but I donât believe weâre there yet.
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One day we will be beyond the day when it takes more than one woman to prove something happened. One day soon.
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I think itâs possible because they were the first ones folks were in disbelief and denial but now that everyone knows of their guilt each new arrest is just another log on the perv pile.
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Rich got everything he deserved. The system worked
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Trolls have certainly tried to stir the pot a few times. However, the rest of us(along with mods) have been really good to each other and tried to listen and respond with respect even when we disagree. Meanwhile, social media is a dumpster fire(see COTH FB post of the article). I have a hard time understanding the horrible things people will say when their identity is right there next to what they say. Whereas here, where we can remain anonymous if we want, we choose to be polite.
You know what? I think that is a good thing.
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