Riding and training stallions

Hey guys,

Wanted to hear from those who have experience riding and training stallions. I am not looking for information about ground manners/ behavior but rather what people think about their general riding tendencies…laziness? Spookiness/reactive? Behind the leg? Distracted?

Also, any experiences with horses that may have been gelded later in life (7-9 years old).

Is your approach to daily riding different from riding a mare/gelding? Of course, the training scale/ techniques applies to all Dressage horses…but, any generalizations about day to day riding. Would you say you more firm, more patient/ forgiving…

Curious to hear your thoughts. Thank you!

Stallions are horses. Period.

The are treated and ridden like horses. But because they have hormones, they have very strong opinions. And thus the human better have the horsemanship and equestrian tact needed to provide the proper degree of “guidance” to bring the animal along.

As far as gelding late in life, no problem. If you had a well behaved stallion, you will have a well behaved gelding. If you had a stallion that was allowed to get away will ill manners you will have an ill-mannered gelding that may or may not be rehabilitated.

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I agree with pluvinel. It takes a very worthy individual to remain a stallion on my property. Yet, I have the same or in some ways more stringent expectations of my intact boys. My stallions have all been well behaved on the ground, under saddle and in the breeding shed. I don’t really treat them any differently than the others. It’s all black and white. I just am more in tune to who and what is around me when I’m riding one of the intact boys. I have found that whether it’s a mare, gelding or stallion all of mine expect a leader. I have no problem providing them with that. Maybe I’m just lucky, or perhaps it’s the bloodlines I focus on/choose, or maybe, I don’t really care what hormones are present. When I throw my leg over, it’s expected to be an obedient ride and any deviation from that is met with swift correction, not overbearing and not unfair - just black and white. When I’m riding I find if I think and present each question in a way that they really can only choose one answer, the correct one, we do okay.

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You have to be a solid leader. Other than that, they are like any other horse. Not everyone is equipped, however, to work with a stallion. They have strong opinions, and you must set firm expectations from the get go, to ensure they stay focused on you and only you, whether there is another horse around or not.

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They’re horses and individuals. Some are spooky, some are stubborn, some are calm.

The Spanish keep most of their male horses intact. I’ve dealt with PRE a stallions, geldings, and those gelded late. I have not seen any different behavior from those gelded late (age 4-7 in my case). I also worked with a teenage stallion that I’m pretty sure didn’t even know he was a stallion. He was gelded late teens due to medical issues and was the same horse as before.

In Spain, it’s no big thing to have a stallion, it’s almost odd to Geld them or they have a “defect” of some kind. They’re strict with their horses, but also let them be horses. My guys that came directly from Spain were turned out with other stallions, ridden with mares, and stalled next to mares. No big to-do about having balls. No life in isolation. Not feared by anyone.

Some of the bravest and most sensible horses that I have ridden have been stallions. They’ve been brave, secure, and slightly cunning. I joke that courage is kept in their balls and that’s why the geldings are more wussy. Partially true. Some have more of a “macho” presence like, “oh I must call out when entering the property or seeing a new horse on my property.” With a stallion, (with any horse) especially one that is used for breeding its important not to set them up for failure. If you’re somewhere and see a hussy mare or one that the owner can’t control, don’t go stand at her behind! There are some really unaware mare owners out there, so it’s important that you are aware and have a strong relationship with the stallion in terms of respect and training.

But then I also have late gelded guys and even a stallion that act like they don’t know what a mare is. They’ve been out with them, groomed next to, ridden with, and just don’t care. I find that some owners are reactive rather than proactive and that causes problems. There are also some horses that don’t need to/should not be stallions due to behavior or other issues that are still allowed to breed. This is also a problem.

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I had two stallions, a Friesian, and a Friesian/Warmblood cross. Both were VERY kind horses - I do think the Baroque breed stallions tend to be “different” then some of the other breeds. I am an AA rider who kind of learned as I went with my first boy (the cross), and then got my purebred as a yearling. I do think I was lucky that both had excellent temperaments, not sure I would have been as successful with a Warmblood or Tbred stallion.

I also know several breeders with Warmblood stallions, as well as a few Morgan stallions, and a friend with PRE stallions, so I’ve been exposed to many (and ridden several of those stallions). There IS a difference - I don’t know if it is more testosterone, or just a long time difference in how they have been bred and handled over the generations.

In general, stallions do have an innate sense of fairness - mares do too, so I suspect that comes from a higher level of hormones in the system. They need consistency, a routine, they need to KNOW the rules at all times. If they are punished too harshly or unfairly (in their opinion), they are more likely to react strongly to it. And it all goes back to - they need to understand the rules and boundaries. As for laziness, my two boys had incredible work ethics, they had a very strong desire to please.

But I do know several of the trainers I talk to who work with some of the other stallions, and they do say it is common to find stallions can be balky or lazy. I have seen that in a couple of stallions (Warmbloods), and one of those was gelded later in life, and it did help his overall laziness and tendancy to go to war, but he is still a quirky, lazy gelding that requires a very specific routine. He IS much happier now, and is with the same trainer who worked with him when he was a stud (although there were a few changes in trainer and ownership before he came back to her as a gelding).

A great deal of it has to do with the individual horse, as already noted. But there is also something to the joke about “brain surgery” - gelding does affect how the horse thinks, reacts, works. And if gelded too late, those patterns are already ingrained in the horse, so it won’t be a “miraculous cure”.

I currently have a late gelded pony - he was 8ish when gelded. And he does have stallion personality - he is highly opinionated, and needs a strong leader. He needs a very specific routine. And, interestingly, he is lazy, although he is smart, and is learning to NOT be lazy. He is NOT a brave character, interestingly, although he has a lot of bluff to make you think he is.

Personally, I LIKE the personality - I feel like mares and stallions are more engaged when they work with you. But you have to be more engaged too…

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I have a very well-behaved 9yo TB stallion, and in most ways, he is just like any other horse. I don’t treat him any differently, but I am more aware of what’s going on around me, particularly at shows. While under saddle, he’s all business…but I still have my head on a swivel because I can’t control others’ stupidity and if something happens, it will be “the stallion’s fault” so I do everything possible to avoid a situation. I warm up farther away, and avoid standing around when possible. My horse actually handles it well…we’ve stood around in a mixed group waiting our turn at jumper shows and more than one ring steward has done the “bend and look” to check that his equipment was, indeed, still there. :wink: Still, I prefer to keep him moving and mentally engaged on me in a safe place when possible. I’m fortunate that he loves going to shows, and is happy standing in the trailer or tying while we get ready. In the first year of going places, I was extra prepared and kept 2 halters on him (a rope one under a leather one), just in case he were to pull back and break the crown, he’d still have a way to be caught. A loose stallion is my greatest fear!

While in many ways he’s “just another horse,” there are some emotional ways he’s different. It took a few months to really earn his trust and respect; he would occasionally balk at going places (through puddles, for example) and I had to tactfully manage that quirk, but once he trusts me he’s much more brave and willing on XC. He has a stronger instinct of self-preservation than any mare or gelding I’ve had.

He is quite sensitive regarding his ego-- he gets his feelings hurt and “pouts” a little, whereas most geldings just accept a little discipline and get on with life.

I have bred him live cover, and it’s made no difference in his ridden work. On the ground, he’s more aware of “his” mares on my property, and frets a bit when their routine changes. But he’s still a lovely horse to ride, and I would trust anyone on him above a D2 pony clubber.

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I agree with those who say stallions are horses. However, they do best with routine. They need to have knowledgeable handlers with a strong streak of common sense. They do have always in the back of their mind, sometimes not very far back, sometimes not back at all, that they are stallions.

As far as their training abilities, like any other horse some are easier train than others. Some are more forward, some downright lazy.

Totally agree. Daily routine is incredibly important-- the order in which horses are turned out/brought in, who lives where, etc. My stallion wants to know (feel in control) what is happening in his kingdom, and it takes him 3 days to adapt to change. Order and routine keeps him relaxed and content. A loose horse, or an upset horse (particularly if its his mares calling to each other when separated) makes him agitated. Keep in mind I’m on 5 acres, so the mares and other horses are always within sight/earshot.

He also gets worried about other horses’ disobedience. The only time I’ve ever had trouble at a show was when another horse repeatedly crashed or stopped in jump warmup, rider out control, blasting around unsafely. My stallion hates “uncivilized” behavior around him, and gets worked up and difficult. That’s when the “stallion” comes out, and you have to be firm, calm, and prepared.

This. Particularly about others’ stupidity. My boy was a saint, however, I did everything within MY power to set him up for success. I didn’t go around shouting “This is a stallion.” but I made sure to pick warmups that didn’t have a lot of kids or Intro riders (they don’t need the stress of a show AND to avoid the stallion), ride early or late, or leave an area when I wasn’t confident that the rider/handler was completely in control of their horse. I learned how to warm him up in the walk when the only ideal space had less than ideal footing.

This is interesting because I have one that is similar. If we are longing or something and another horse is unruly, it’s generally no matter. However, if he has a rider he is very concerned about what goes on in “his ring” or area and does not like inappropriate behavior. He’s also hates uncivilized ground behavior. I don’t know why he’s more lax about being on the longe line. On the trail he’s a tad more tolerant and will take the lead until the horse with questionable behavior or balking calms down. Otherwise, he’s somewhat of a chicken :lol: he’s borderline OCD and favors routine. He’s very process/order oriented.

However, he has since been gelded and is a little more relaxed about some things. Still quite particular though!

Yes for sure. I don’t like to announce that he’s a stallion, unless someone nearby is persistently harassing us. For one, my horse is (and SHOULD) be so well behaved that no one notices he’s intact, and shouldn’t need extra special accomodating. And two, some people act even dumber when they know your horse is a stallion, because they just don’t know how to act around one.

For his first few shows, I did tie a blue ribbon is his tail, just in hope that others would give a little space (lower level division, new to competing). He’s a plain bay horse, so I also leave his forelock unbraided so he is a little easier to notice if one cares to avoid us. (As a kid, my trainer showed a stallion the same way, and I was told growing up if you see hair down between the ears, look between the hind legs, and keep your horse under control around that horse.)

People do all sorts of dumb, inconsiderate things. I see horses grazing “loose” around the trailers, lead ropes dragging, while owners sit sipping a beverage. Horse munches closer and closer to my (disinterested) tied stallion, I ask them to please retrieve their horse, to which they say “oh Dobbin’s ok, he won’t hurt anyone” amd I have to explain that my stallion (yes, he’s a stallion!) just might. It’s amazing how lackadaisical people are, never imagining that a stallion may also be competing.

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For OP…the best advice that I got was that you can’t control what other people do with their horses. Therefore as a stallion owner…or as ANY horse owner…you had better be sure that you can control your own horse.

This advice goes for anyone handling a horse in a public space and goes in spades for anyone handling a stallion.

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But if you’re not going to build/establish (competing and whatnot) and breed the horse, a gelding is just fine. For most people, a gelding is just fine. Especially if you board your horse.

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@EventerAJ We must have had the same trainer growing up! Yes, expected to behave in all situations but set up for success. She also taught me the same thing about forelocks: braided mane/tail but unbraided forelock = stallion.

This is so important. I never asked for “special accomodations” for a stallion, but I did finally have a big magnetic sign made up to put on my trailer at shows. I often show out of the trailer, and both my boys stand tied like perfect gentlemen. But more then once, I would run to the porta-potty or the show office and come back to my trailer to find someone grazing their mare on a loose line right next to my (slightly interested) boy, and once the mare was in heat, and winking and peeing! I would NEVER do that to another horse tied to a trailer, irregardless of its sex, but it happened more then once with my boys. So I had a magnet done up, 24x36, with a picture of both the boys and big block text that said “I’m not a fire breathing dragon, but I am a stallion”. I would put it up on the side the boy was tied to, if I had to leave the trailer for a moment. If I left for more then a moment, I’d reload the stallion into the trailer. It is just safer (for him!) that way.

Always very careful. I did see a stallion rear up and half mount a mare at a show once - the mare cut right in front of him, then halted. It was a bad situation in ANY situation - pretty rude riding. The trainer on the stallion was really angry - and it caused all kinds of a ruckus at the show. And I know someone who was trail riding with a stallion behind her, and ended up pretty bruised up when he decided to mount her mare. Set them up for success, be aware, realize other people can be dangerous, and do make sure they are well socialized.

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I’d add that if you are uncomfortable with the opinions and hormones of a mare, don’t trade up to a stallion :wink:

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In my experience they’re very much like a true alpha mare. They look for a firm but fair leader and if none is around they determine that they should be in control. They thrive on routine and are much more aware of their surroundings than most mares and gelding. Complacency in safety and handling has no place around a stallion.

The ones I worked with under saddle were a bit weary and untrusting of new riders. Once you earned their trust (through firm but fair leadership and good decision making) they will fight for you, much like a strong willed mare. They tend to have stronger opinions about how they like to be ridden.

Most important to remember is that they’re all individuals. Some are hot and sensitive, some are a bit lazy and dull, and most are somewhere in between. They’re just horses at the end of day.

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I have an alpha mare. This all rings true. :slight_smile:

Geldings seem a bit flat to me.

I wish everyone would take that advice to heart…

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