Roan studs or up and coming stallions?

[rm100706]

I own a lovely red roan Appendix mare that I’m considering breeding in the future, depending on finding the perfect stud. My mare can jump the moon, 16.3hh with a great natural Hunter step. Successfully shown A/O. She’s heterozygous roan and I’d like to get a roan baby.

Does anyone know of any large roan studs? Or perhaps a stallion who looks promising coming up? I know it’s very niche and selective. Perhaps even well built HUS stallions, but I’m not looking to get a HUS horse. Most roan stallions I find are small(15.2 & under) and built for western events.

Thanks in advance for the help!

[Dressagelvr]

If roan color is what you seek, I imagine you will need to stick with QH stallions.

[csaper58]

blue roan gypsy vanner

www.villavanners.com/Stallion_GreyNight.htm

blue roan draft cross

www.draftcross.com/2007/06/blue-steel/ a gelding but one of his parents was roan.

Bumped a thread on roan thoroughbreds for you.

There are lots of blue roan andalusians and lusitanos

[rm100706]

I’m not opposed to QH, however most of what I find is very small and built for western events. If you know of any QH stallions that are roan competing in Hunter events, that’d be helpful!

[candico]

Acorado II started out as a roan, but is a grey. At least you might get a few years of owning a roan and you should get a heck of a jump!

[beowulf]

there’s QH stallions… and then there’s QH stallions - I’ve found there is more diversity among individuals in the QH breed than there is among different breeds.

I am sure there is a roan HUS out there… but you are limiting yourself with the color - lots of good quality TBs and WBs out there you could breed to for a good HUS Horse.

Is Welsh too small? IME they make respectable QH crosses and there are TONS of nice colored Welshes out there – IIRC quite a few of the breeders are on COTH.

If it has to be roan, what about Appies? There are a few still around that are nice not-western types - any of the Waps still breeding?

Of course, you wouldn’t have much options in the way of registering the foal, so it depends on what your goals are… if it’s personal use and you’d be keeping the resulting foal forever, breed away… but lots of people on this forum will give you some serious stink-eye because you’re not breeding a mare that is part of their idea of a respectable registry.

[JB]

Acorado II isn’t Roan. He’s plan bay gone gray, with a big blood mark on his face.

OP - Are you looking to register the foal anywhere? Unless the mare gets QH papers, you won’t be able to register him QH anyway.

The Hancock line of QH’s has the Roan gene that is not homozygous lethal, but I am not sure if that particular Roan is outside of that line. If it isn’t, then you’re not increasing the odds of getting Roan, and you’re increasing the odds of having trouble getting her pregnant (if both pass the R). And you don’t want the Hancock line of QH for what you’re looking for.

Assuming you are looking for another Hunter, then the GVs and Baroque breeds aren’t suitable

To get your best chances at a nice Hunter, since you can’t register the foal QH, I’d go with a good WB or TB with proven Hunter offspring. Appendix back to TB makes a very nice cross, and there are many WB stallions who would suit that sort of type you describe as well.

[candico]

Yes, I should have clarified Acorado II was technically not a roan, but at least looked the part for awhile.

What about Cayanosch? Kind of hard to get current info, but maybe worth a look.

[rm100706]

Registry is unimportant to me. I wouldn’t breed my mare to anything just to get a roan, and breeding her is not imperative. For me it’s a matter of loving the color and getting a personal forever horse.

[rm100706]

Appreciate the help! My mare is from Hancock lines. By a blue roan Appendix and out of a bay appendix mare. Her dad shouldn’t have his testicles IMO, but I got lucky that her mama gave her the good build.

[JB]

You have the Roan gene that is not homozygous lethal then

But TBH, and I know you didn’t ask this, but if her sire should not have been breeding, then neither should she It’s just as easy for his less than stellar genetics to come out, as hers or her dam’s.

Technically, your mare isn’t an Appendix. Not that it truly matters in your case, but technically it does lol. Appendix is QH x TB. Appendix x Appendix doesn’t count lol

[sandsarita]

If you look at a lot of the top AQHA horses in the hunter division, a lot of them are by a western pleasure stud crossed with a tb mare. Or an appendix. If you can find a big bodied/tall wp stud I would look at that. I know there was a roan a couple off years ago that did well, cant remember his name though. Might come to me.

[ladyj79]

https://youtu.be/Q4z_3gQyk30

Dunsandle diamond is an Irish draught. And stunning.

[rm100706]

Haven’t looked at her papers in a bit, so I’m a little fuzzy. But my mare is registered Appendix

[beowulf]

I have seen some really nice horses that were Appendix X TB - usually appendix dam, TB sire… They can get very athletic. Growing up, one of the barns I rode with had almost entirely AppendixX horses; they were hardy, sound and full of good humor.

Has anyone ever bred Appendix[es] to warmbloods? What was the result? I haven’t seen breeders do it, and I think it’s for a reason - the whole f1/f2 unpredictability that comes into play when you have three very different breeds all in one pot.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

My Mom owned a horse years ago that was technically a blend of TB, QH and Warmblood. The dam was Holsteiner, sire was a registered QH racehorse, but on paper he was 3/4 Jockey Club TB that had simply been used for QH race breeding. Reviewer was one of the TB names up close in The pedigree - I think he was Ruffians sire as well? Anyway, the TB was pretty alright.

The “QH” stallion was owned by a local cowboy type, who had found the Holsteiner mare at an estate sale situation (along with a few others), and then bred them all to his stud, and sold babies to the local hunter jumper market.

So my Mom bought one of these offspring as a yearling, and I rode him for a few years from 2 to 5, before we sold him. One of my favorite horses ever. Nice well set neck, built uphill, a little too short in the back, but overall fairly rideable and cute. 16.1 or 16.2. Wonderful brain… I actually broke him - super easy guy. He went off for some dressage training, and was schooling 2nd level nicely when we sold him. But his strong point was jumping. He was really easygoing and game for anything. Would have made an awesome event horse, but went to a teenager who was interested in both hunters and jumpers, competed in both, and won a bunch! A really fun project.

There was a filly born as well locally who was 3 years younger than our gelding… Exact same breeding. A friend of my Moms who was an amateur dressage rider, and pretty timid, bought it as a newborn because of how nicely our gelding turned out, especially in terms of his brain and rideability/versatility. She had previous bad luck buying a super fancy papered Warmblood yearling dressage prospect, which ended up a little hotter in temperament than she anticipated, and scared her. But that poor filly was a total throwback to some unknown QH a few generations prior… And with other mismatched parts from the Holsteiner Mom. Short low set neck, built downhill, and 15.2 the last time I saw it, with a really odd looking big barrel and super short back… I never rode it, can’t comment on the temperment. I think my Mom’s friend ended up just giving it away to a really good trail riding home. And buying ANOTHER fancy Warmblood yearling, which promptly scared her… She was pretty determined to bring a young horse along herself, but it was painful to watch. At least she had an easier time selling the failed projects with good papers!

So there you go - a complete case study of unpredictability in that sort of thing, in multiple respects. Our gelding was FABULOUS though -

[NYCspaz]

[QUOTE=ladyj79;8812541]
https://youtu.be/Q4z_3gQyk30

Dunsandle diamond is an Irish draught. And stunning.[/QUOTE]

I vote for this one!!! :yes:

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Did anyone mention the stallion Sweet Return - TB? There’s another thread about him… Focused on him as a dressage TB possibility though - not on his color. He’s a red roan. No shipped semen though, and I haven’t the faintest on whether or not his color genetics work.

[alibi_18]

[QUOTE=rm100706;8812259]
Appreciate the help! My mare is from Hancock lines. By a blue roan Appendix and out of a bay appendix mare. Her dad shouldn’t have his testicles IMO, but I got lucky that her mama gave her the good build.[/QUOTE]

Lucky indeed.

I’m with JB on this one.
If you believe your mare’s sire shouldn’t breed, you shouldn’t breed his offsprings.

It is NOT less expensive to breed your own future champion than to buy one that is already on the ground.

[ladyj79]

[QUOTE=beowulf;8812727]
I have seen some really nice horses that were Appendix X TB - usually appendix dam, TB sire… They can get very athletic. Growing up, one of the barns I rode with had almost entirely AppendixX horses; they were hardy, sound and full of good humor.

Has anyone ever bred Appendix[es] to warmbloods? What was the result? I haven’t seen breeders do it, and I think it’s for a reason - the whole f1/f2 unpredictability that comes into play when you have three very different breeds all in one pot.[/QUOTE]

I worked with a particular breeder who did cross an appendix mare with his wb stallion several times. The colt produced the year I was there was an rpsi site champion, and really he was stunning. But the breeder would be the first to tell you that the three other foals from the same breeding were “meh.” So yes I’d definitely say the f1s are unpredictable at best.