Rob Gage

I thought he was determined to be guilty, and thus lifetime ban. He was appealing, but the judgement was already made.

Are people not aware of the behaviours of child predators? One thing predators live for is “hiding in plain sight”. Building trust with family, friends, etc. Of course no one thinks their trainer, or mentor could ever do such things. Look up the story of Jeff Doucett. Predators also know how to choose victims, many are adapt at picking out the naive and vulnerable, maybe with unsupportive emotionally parents, absentee parents, etc. Just because someone didn’t abuse you, doesn’t mean they weren’t abusing others.

Also, those with sexually deviant behaviours are rarely changed, although their mindset can be changed with years and years of intense dedicated, therapy, they have to want to change and be in on the process. These predators at shows creeping their hands where they don’t belong are not men who are looking to stop their behaviour.

As far as safe sport goes, the investigation I am aware of, they contacted all parties involved, including the police, and did many interviews before suspending the person. It is still ongoing. The suspension was put into place because the behaviours were escalating.

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Per the law the USEF is required to uphold the suspension recommendation by Safe Sport. Safe Sport is the one that investigates. NOT the USEF.

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Was the allegation that Gage was a “child predator”? In my mind, there is a difference in severity between a middle-aged adult having sexual contact with a 0-14 year old child (a true “child predator”) versus a 20 year old man having a relationship with a soon to be 18 year old. Nowadays we will not (and should not) tolerate either, but I would not approve of a lifetime ban for someone who engaged in the latter conduct thirty years ago.

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So the actual statue spells out that minors can have sex so long as they are within three years of age. Ie a 17 year old cannot sleep with a 12 year old.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f…tionNum=261.5.

Defense attorney websites offering their services to sex offenders never hold water with me.

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I believe so, I am not privy to all the details but from doing some internet investigating, this wasn’t and 18 and 20 year old type of situation.

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That is not what the law says. Under 3 years and it is a misdemeanor (still a crime). Over 3 years and it’s a potential felony.

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OK, that certainly changes my opinion, but then that makes this article confusing:

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/usef-and-the-u-s-center-for-safesport-answer-your-safesport-questions?fbclid=IwAR0fbgpS3Yh5f78kv8YE-Ph33iRR9-rJZJNzygUhcqE7urCoQ9RG1IHm7_Y

at the top of the article, it says questions answered by USEF.

From the article:

<<<What is the process of an investigation?

A report comes in from the party involved or a third-party reporter or, often, an anonymous reporter. Our intake people begin a preliminary inquiry to look at it to see if we have jurisdiction over the accused. If they’re not affiliated with the sport we have no jurisdiction. Then we look at the underlying facts: Is there fire to the smoke that we’re seeing?

Once it passes our intake team it goes to a fulltime investigator, and they start digging. That process takes as long as it will take. And we prioritize according to what makes sense: A low-end case between adults from 20 years ago will be much less important than a report about a child from last year.
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This kind of inconsistency just does not inspire confidence and honestly that’s a problem. Because if we don’t trust the decisions, then influential trainers will continue to cry foul of USEF on FB and bc they hold positions of power with their clients, that just causes more misinformation and mistrust among the membership.

And THAT perversely will impact victims both present and future. We have to do a better job clarifying the process if we are going to get the bad guys out.

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It could be that he was already determined to be guilty, but I was under the impression things were still ongoing, perhaps more than one claim. As for the behavior of child predators hiding in plain sight you’re totally right. People close with them though struggle to accept that they can be capable of such things, or see that they were such great people in their lives without knowing what went on when they weren’t around. Only those involved with the investigation and those RB spoke openly to know the details, and I think we are all in disbelief that it could’ve been this life changing for him. I do believe though that people can learn from their mistakes and not repeat them again, but it doesn’t justify his actions even if they were 40 years ago.

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Oh I totally misread. Thank you!

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It’s the USEF and Safe Sport how Safe Sport investigates since most people for whatever reason freak out over going to the Safe Sport web site and NEED to hear it from the USEF.

Thats in BOLD as the title of the article.

If you want clarity contact Safe Sport. Not. That. Hard.

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This is where I’m at. No single individual can bear the weight of a laissez-faire culture trying to absolve themselves decades after the fact. There are distinctions to make here.

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Wow I had no idea of any of this when I started the thread. I’m so sorry about the dumpster fire. His family and friends are in my thoughts. Suicide is never the answer.

I’m the victim of sexual abuse at the hand of a professional in the h/j industry. I was 12 when it started back in the year 2000. SafeSport didn’t exist back then and I felt like I had no one to reach out to. In fact, I never told a soul until after my own suicide attempt at age 19. That’s when I found out I was one of 4 girls in the barn that it happened to.

SafeSport has been discussed and dissected at length. While it isn’t a perfect fit for our industry (compared to say swimming or gymnastics) it’s a great start. I feel like teens these days have many more resources to get help and stop the abuse. I think the “guilty until proven innocent” approach is absolutely necessary to separate the potential abusers from their potential victims until the claims can be thoroughly investigated.

As for my abuser I would 100% report him to SafeSport now but he’s no longer involved in horses in this country. If anyone knows of a similar program in France please let me know.

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TOTALLY AGREE!!! Safe Sport is NOT the solution or even a good part of a solution. I truly believe it has more potential for false accusations (even if by well meaning honestly mistaken reporters) petty accusations by enemies (lets say a perfectly legitimate and professional text is sent to minor by adult and OH NO Accidentally another adult is not copied in on it) teaching predators how to disguise themselves/beat the system than it does for protecting any child in any way.

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That’s what I’m wondering about. I know that he had started training and instructing riders when he was young, 18 I believe. Legally there’s no difference between an 18 year old and a 50 year old when it comes to sexual activity with a minor, but I totally agree with your perspective. 20, 30, 40 years ago people behaved differently, and while it doesn’t justify illegal activity, things were ‘ok’ back then, physical activity then vs now are viewed totally different. Times changed and stories are coming out now. It’s a consequence of their actions, but these consequences are absolutely destroying people.

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The poster above you is a victim and described how it would have helped her. Perhaps remove thine head from thine ass to see beyond your unwarranted rage.

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But people also didn’t think pedophiles existed then, they didn’t really understand them, at all. They also didn’t know about serial killers either. Does that mean if someone killed a bunch of people 30 years ago and never got caught it should be - well back in the day it was misunderstood so whatever.

The reason it was “ok” back then is because women didn’t have a voice. Women were not believed, slighted, etc. Watch the movie Polytechnique if you want to understand the real reason women were told to hush up and not make a fuss when your friend/teacher/coach rubbed you the wrong way, literally.

Too many people in this thread living in a damn bubble.

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No one is against having the mechanism. What people ARE against is the potential for abuse. The dark side has been ignored far too long, but swinging hard to the other extreme isn’t the answer either. People are wanting a good middle ground that’s fair to accused and accuser BOTH. There is a difference between someone who just turned 18 having sex with their 17yo girlfriend/boyfriend and a predator. Safesport just kinda lumps everything together when you’re looking at it. NO ONE wants a predator. Any criminal convictions should automatically carry to Safesport. Not arguing that.

There are those of us who DID read everything, and still have concerns. I think there’s a balance we haven’t found between protecting children and ruining careers. I agree that if someone is publicly suspended and found innocent that finding should be public as well, not quietly done. The damage can’t be loud and the restoration quiet. Guilty until proven innocent will never sit well with me, and there are enough differing accounts from people who have been involved that it’s hard to feel confident we have the best system. I would feel more confident if the procedure was to report to law enforcement and wait for the results of that investigation.

As far as people not dealing with Safesport? Between USE itself, various breed and discipline affiliates, plus all your local clubs? It really can be a bit overwhelming.

NO ONE wants abuse to continue. But I think we can do better at solving it.

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I’d like to point out that in all the other sports my children are involved in, their coaches communicate with me and all the other parents on the team. I, and the other parents, would find it odd if the coach attempted to contact the player directly. I have found this both in club sports and town sports. I have to say the ONLY sport bitching about Safe Sport is the one that has the worst reputation for this kind of behavior - horses.

The ignorance on the Vanessa Brown thread is appalling. Safe Sport’s process is thorough and professional. I repeat - in any other profession, if someone is accused of misconduct, sexual or otherwise, ESPECIALLY if it involves a minor, that person is automatically suspended until the process is complete. AGAIN, being a member of a club is NOT a constitutional right. If someone has been found to violate the rules of that club or a basic behavior of a civil society, that club has the right to expel them. These people are not going to jail, although one could argue they should.

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Has someone been sanctioned by safesport for this?

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