Rotspon as damsire

[Blume_Farm]

OK, maybe I am biased as I have a Rotspon mare that I adore. However, more and more top horses keep popping up with Rotspon as the damsire.

There have been a few Dancier-Rotspon stallions selected and/ or approved.

Now reading the Bundeschampionate report Fresh Chili by Fuerst Romancier-Rotspon won the bronze medal in the division of three-year-old mares and geldings. Sean Connery (Sir Donnerhall-Rotspon) earned the reserve championship in the six-year-old dressage horse division.

Anyone else seeing this trend?

[password]

Most definitely!

[Dan]

I had also noted the many Dancier x Rotspon stallions. It seems to be a good mix.

Dan

[Gayle_in_Oregon]

It makes sense. Dancier is smallish and refined and seems to produce that way oftentimes, and Rotspon is bigger and bulkier but still pretty. Kinda like classic crossed with modern. Both are good movers and have pedigrees to support that. I have a dose of Dancier in my tank so I guess I am a fan of sorts. Sometimes we see these ‘trends’ because that is the mare base the stallion has access to…

[Blume_Farm]

[QUOTE=Gayle in Oregon;7228452]
Sometimes we see these ‘trends’ because that is the mare base the stallion has access to…[/QUOTE]

I think this was very true when breeders only had access to stallions in their region. However, at least in Europe, fresh semen is shipped everywhere now so it doesn’t matter where the stallion is based.

[Steepleview]

Completely Off Topic, Blumefarm, but how are Dorfblume and Brilly doing?

[Blume_Farm]

Thanks for asking! They are doing great. Dorfblume has made a complete recovery and Brilly is maturing into a gorgeous little filly. She won Top Filly at her AHS Inspection last month:) Brilly still has her vascular abnormality, although it appears to have gotten a bit smaller. We will re-evaluate it in the spring and see if surgery is still indicated. It certainly hasn’t slowed her down and unless you know it is there and really looking you would never see it.

Thanks again for asking. Now I am debating about breeding in the spring. I am too afraid for Dorf to carry again, but am considering doing an ET. However, my other mare (my riding horse) I am considering doing an ET with as well…and I can only afford one:( She is by Rotspon which appears to becoming a really nice damsire stallion. What to do, what to do?? Any advice?

[QUOTE=Steepleview;7228912]
Completely Off Topic, Blumefarm, but how are Dorfblume and Brilly doing? :-)[/QUOTE]

[Steepleview]

So glad to hear they are doing well and congrats on the top filly!

[Marydell]

I adore the Rotspon blood. I have a Rotspon/Don Principe colt this year that will become a wonderful FEI prospect.
But I also have 2 Rotspon broodmares that are super! The one-EM Rotina is out of a Argentinus dam and has produced horse after horse that is a superstar both in hand and under saddle. Crossed with don Principe, she has produced 2 HOY winners that won the Traveling Trot perpetual. Duet MF is one of them and just this past weekend, Duet won both of her debut second level tests with 71+ and 73+%. Dansuse MF who won the trophy this year is out of a Fuerst Heinrich out of Rotina.
EM Rising Star MF(Rotspon/Ramiro Son II) has also produced super riding horses with Don Principe, Doctor Wendell MF and Quaterback.
Love having that blood in my band and hope to continue to perpetuate it with more of the “D” blood my stallions have.

[Blume_Farm]

[QUOTE=Marydell;7230945]
The one-EM Rotina is out of a Argentinus dam and has produced horse after horse that is a superstar both in hand and under saddle. [/QUOTE]

That is dream bloodlines right there! Rotspon-Argentinus…talk about versatility.

@Marydell;7230945

Duet MF is one of them and just this past weekend, Duet won both of her debut second level tests with 71+ and 73+%.

Wow! Since I am currently competing at Second Level I know how difficult it is to pull out those scores:)

Hmmmm…maybe I should do the ET next spring with my Rotspon mare…

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;7227792]

Anyone else seeing this trend?[/QUOTE]

There’s also the stallion Benetton Dream (Brentano II x Rotspon) who won the 2007 Bundeschampionate as a 3 yr. old.

[Blume_Farm]

Yes! How could I forget him. He is Brentano II X Rotspon X Davignon X Weltmeyer. I was lucky to see Benettom Dream 2 years ago while he was still with his breeder and he was fabulous. I have considered breeding my Rotspon X Davignon mare to Brentano II as his frozen is supposed to be quite good. I just worry about breeding a giant as my mare is quite substantial.

[QUOTE=Mardi;7231256]
There’s also the stallion Benetton Dream (Brentano II x Rotspon) who won the 2007 Bundeschampionate as a 3 yr. old.[/QUOTE]

[_Tradewind]

How timely, considering there is a Dauphin x Rotspon stallion (Dheputy) in the 70 day test!

[JustThatSimple]

I love rotspon. Dam line, sire line.

I had a fabulous dressage horse turned hunter come in for sale Rotspon x Wolkenstanz. Previously a Jr/Yr extraordinaire he was unhappy, moved to jumping and also jumped a 10.

Breeding a lovely corlando mare to rotspon for a 2015, as our st nick mare didn’t catch after one attempt late in the season.

[Kaluna]

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;7231272]
Yes! How could I forget him. He is Brentano II X Rotspon X Davignon X Weltmeyer. I was lucky to see Benettom Dream 2 years ago while he was still with his breeder and he was fabulous. I have considered breeding my Rotspon X Davignon mare to Brentano II as his frozen is supposed to be quite good. I just worry about breeding a giant as my mare is quite substantial.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn’t do this cross. Rotspon as sire or damsire can be hit or miss in the big picture. He has a niche I think and I’d aim for that niche.

[Cindy_s_Warmbloods]

I have always love Rotspon too and the foals he produces. My Londonderry mare is in foal to him for next year and I will probably breed back to him in the future as well. His frozen semen is super too!

[beowulf]

[QUOTE=Kaluna;7235403]
I wouldn’t do this cross. Rotspon as sire or damsire can be hit or miss in the big picture. He has a niche I think and I’d aim for that niche.[/QUOTE]
Do you mind going a little more in depth here? If need be, you can PM me. Just curious - I haven’t seen the miss-side of Rotspon (yet?).

[Kyzteke]

I guess I have to be the lone voice of exception here on Rotspon. I was not sold on this guy based on the foals I have seen personally. I read the stats and I see he has produced some super horses (and I personally LOVE the R line, so it’s not that), but I happen to know he can produce widely diverse get.

He has a tendency (again, we are talking tendencies here, not absolutes) to produce get that vary widely in size. 2 o/o 3 of the foals I’ve seen (and I saw 2 of them into adulthood) were quite small: under 16 hh. They were also not particularly attractive or good movers, although they were all sweethearts in terms of temperament.

The mares bred were above average, although not superior. One was a TB mare who had been highly rated by AHS. The other was a Weltmeyer daughter.

So I would only be happy w/Rotspon as the damsire if I personally knew the quality of the mare he produced…either by seeing her myself, or having her excellence proven via a show record or superior production record. Because he certainly did not improve the mares in the cases I saw…and you would have thought that o/o 3 mares at least 1 or 2 of the foals would have been better.

Maybe just my bad luck…

I do know his frozen semen is supposedly outstanding!!

[Blume_Farm]

I know…I think it could either result in something wonderful or something huge. However, I always look to see what successful crosses breeders in Europe have that I would not have thought of…and Benetton Dream is exactly that. Having seen him in person he was stunning, very large bodied, but still light in movement, very rideable, and three really nice gaits. I am not the hugest fan of Dancier as he is too light framed for my taste. Having said that my Rotspon mare is large framed, although her dam is not. My Rotspon mare has had one foal by Sinatra Song that is very similar to her, did not really get any S-line qualities. Neither my Rotspon mare nor her daughter have the “fashionable” big knee action trot of today. But they both have a very strong rear end with powerful push and garner fairly big gaits through that. Other than the potential Dancier niche I don’t really recognize another one as Rotspon as damsire has produced success with many varied sires…Brentano II, Sir Donnerhall, as well as other D-line stallions (as mentioned by Marydell). It seems he can cross with many different lines. But it is true, Rotspon himself produces varied offspring…so maybe the variation as to whom to breed our Rotspon mares to depends on the great-damsire.

[QUOTE=Kaluna;7235403]
I wouldn’t do this cross. Rotspon as sire or damsire can be hit or miss in the big picture. He has a niche I think and I’d aim for that niche.[/QUOTE]

[Kyzteke]

[QUOTE=Blume Farm;7235779]
But it is true, Rotspon himself produces varied offspring…so maybe the variation as to whom to breed our Rotspon mares to depends on the great-damsire.[/QUOTE]

Agreed! So I guess what I’m saying is that I would not be wowed just to see his name as damsire on a piece of paper…I would want to know the quality of the mare he sired before going deeper.

The future of the “R” line worries me, because Blume is correct. Very few of the “R” line have the big fancy “money trots” that are selling horses to day. Their strength has always been in their intelligence, correct conformation and willing/hard-working temperaments. They have alot of try.

I have a doublebred R-line mare who isn’t super flashy normally, but when she was shown in hand the handler got afew steps of trot from her that was good enough to win the Mare Championship (the judge was an S judge who also judged at DAD). So those gaits are in there (I believe).

But so much of what is being bought these days is ONE flashy gait…and everything else goes by the wayside.