Routine antibiotic for foal

[JB]

Yep, meant to add that and got distracted by “Kitteh who has bottomless stomach” :lol:

My mare was on domperidone for…15 days? Something like that, though I think longer. It is a well-documented fact that the use of dom adversely interferes with the production of colostrum. She had a really good bag when she foaled, no lack of milk there. Her first milk (which would have been richest in colostrum) was tested and tested “ok”. Not great, not poor, just “eh”. I would never, ever have trusted my foal to have gotten adequate colostrum from that great supply of milk with it’s “eh” colostrum :no:

But I knew that would have been the case, and we gave him frozen colostrum straight up before he even nursed from momma.

[Home_Again_Farm]

@lolita1;5976476

Actually if the foal has drunk milk then it has colostrum in it. 24hrs I’ve been told before you will get an accurate test and really if the foal is drinking heaps and did so early what is the point. Not trying to be controversial but a summary of my vets opinion.

I am sorry, but from this post and your vet’s previously stated ideas regarding routine use of antibiotics with newborns and dipping of the umbilicus (post #48), I’d be looking for another vet.

I wanted to edit this to say that I really do not wish to offend. However, I would hate for newbies at breeding to come away from this thread with the idea that antibiotics given routinely to newborns, not dipping the umbilicus or assuming that if a foal nurses a lot in its first hours it is receiving decent and sufficient colostrum and utilizing it for a good immune response are theories that are either up to date or correct.

[bloomingtonfarm]

[QUOTE=Amazone;5555544]
No need to get personal and insulting, I was merely interested in hearing different opinions. The world would be a much better place if people could be less judgmental. I really don’t understand why people cannot discuss matters on these BBs in a mature and friendly matter. The idea is to get information, not to bash everyone that does things differently than you do it. Just because it is different, does not necessarily make it wrong.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement and even if someone is wrong, this is no reason to be rude.

Saying this is internet is a lame excuse. It’s a lack of education and I would call it bullying. By bashing someone the bully feels superior and more knowledgeable in a wrong way. Nobody likes bullies but they attract people who are scared to become the next target. If you can’t beat them, join them (in an ill way)

However there are a lot of nice people here, I would mention Kathy St-Martin as an example, she is always nice and polite even when she doesn’t agree at all. She has the way to make her point. THis is an example to follow.

Now to go back to this thread I don’t use antibiotics anymore … since I discover Pyrogenium 200K . I started using it 6 years ago after one of my vets had no other remedy than giving again and for the 3rd time in 3 months a 10 days antibiotic for a leg infection badly situated. It was getting better during the antibiotics but the infection was coming back again and again.

The next day I started using this product I could see a difference and no more pus after 3 days and within a few weeks the hair was starting to grow back. I was sold.

I kept using it and it has worked 100% of time on my horse and on me. I thought I had a failure once and had to turn to antibiotics just to discover that they didn’t worked either. I thought at that time it must have been a virus not some bacteria but it was something completely different, too long to explain here and antibiotics was not the remedy for that.

Last year I had a navel infection to deal with, it was swollen and I hesitated NOT to use antibiotics. The outcome can be so devastating. My vet suggests antibiotics of course but by that time I trusted the product enough to use it. It would have been the ultimate proof and I told myself that if in two days I would not see a difference then I would use antibiotics but… it did his job. The swelling started to shrink and slowly disappears.

Antibiotics are powerful and destroy not only the bad bacteria but also the good one. If you can do without it, you are much better off.

If you use Pyrogenium don’t forget to activate it, this is very important otherwise it won’t be very effective.

[sid]

Ditto, Home Again Farm (Mary Lou).

Double-ditto, in fact. :no:

[lolita1]

Actually pass a comment over veterinary advice provided by a well respected vet who does continually update their knowledge … moving on but really.

The point of my posting the info in the first place is that many TB studs in Australia are giving antibiotics in the first 3 days and are not dipping umbilical cords. The reason for this was due to new according to my vet, study (s) that indicated that giving the antibiotics was what was most effective in stopping joint ill occurring in foals. Re all the IgG, colostrums (JB I do understand why you did what you did) before the foal drinks from the mare and plasma?? Over kill for my foal but I would certainly do all of those things if I felt it was needed.

[Equilibrium]

The “foal shot” is still routinely done here in Ireland. I am only a rare person who does not do this. My vet got out of his care one day for a foal check and had shot in hand. Um no, not my babies. You are her for the IgG test. I vaccinate mare 30 days before birth. There abouts.

So in Europe it is still the done thing. Oh and some vets will the give an antibiotic when microchipping as well. I don’t and have never seen an issue.

Terri

[Home_Again_Farm]

I could see a large breeding operation using antibiotics in order to skip more labor intensive procedures (like dipping the umbilicus repeatedly, pulling IGGs on every foal, testing colostrum and, if necessary, seeing that a foal gets colostrum by bottle or tube before it starts sampling walls and picking up germs). That makes economic sense.

However, I’d not call it a “best practice” and I really do believe that in the long run it may add to the growing problem of antibiotic resistance.

Just my opinion, for what it is worth (which is probably well under 2¢ worth). :yes::winkgrin:

As before, I do not wish to offend. I just happen to disagree.

[lolita1]

No offence taken.

[Home_Again_Farm]

@lolita1;5985080

No offence taken.

TY, Lolita. I appreciate that. :yes: