I’m adding him to my list of all round producers of dressage and jumping horses
and he is promoted as a dressage and eventing sire.
Demeter at Rolex is by him.
Anybody know of offspring and what he produces out of what kind of mare.
To add to my confusion there is Royal Rubin out of UK.
From a Eurodressage article from last year:
(Rubin-Royal) is the eldest of six licensed brothers and has been trained up to Grand Prix level. He has 25 licensed offspring and numerous Grand Prix offspring, including Rubicon D, Rigoletto Royal CH, Rockefellers Cinderella, U.S. Latina and Real Dancer.
One of those brothers is the international GP horse Romanov (currently owned by Glock and ridden by Hans Peter Minderhouf).
The dam Rumirell had 10 named offspring, all by Grundstein II. All six colts became licensed stallions, three went to GP dressage (Rubin Royal, Romanov, and Rubin Action), and one went to I-1 (Rumicello). Two of the fillies became State Premium mares. I think that indicates there is good conformation, good trainability and good performance power in those bloodlines.
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From a Eurodressage article from last year:
One of those brothers is the international GP horse Romanov (currently owned by Glock and ridden by Hans Peter Minderhouf).
The dam Rumirell had 10 named offspring, all by Grundstein II. All six colts became licensed stallions, three went to GP dressage (Rubin Royal, Romanov, and Rubin Action), and one went to I-1 (Rumicello). Two of the fillies became State Premium mares. I think that indicates there is good conformation, good trainability and good performance power in those bloodlines.[/QUOTE]
I think you mean Rohdiamont not Grundstein II. Rumirell herself was by Grundstein II.
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I think you mean Rohdiamont not Grundstein II. Rumirell herself was by Grundstein II.[/QUOTE]
Oops, you are right! I apparently hadn’t had enough coffee! :lol:
Thank you - I want even more info.
He looks a bit heavy bodied in his photos - so I can see dressage potential, but for an eventer, don’t know but thinking he is a stallion and may have a thicker build.
Anybody - what is his jump like?
I’m liking horses that have the dual abilities + mind.
I have always loved Rubin Royal, and he is consistently in the top FN rankings in both dressage and eventing. A friend had a Rubin Royal gelding she bred and sold who was a lovely horse, very successful in dressage. I bred a mare to his brother, Romanov and the resulting mare is modern type, and very tall.
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Thank you - I want even more info.
He looks a bit heavy bodied in his photos - so I can see dressage potential, but for an eventer, don’t know but thinking he is a stallion and may have a thicker build.
Anybody - what is his jump like?
I’m liking horses that have the dual abilities + mind.[/QUOTE]
Foxtrot, you are in Canada right? If I recall correctly, the frozen semen from Rubin Royal is not good. When I looked into it, I couldn’t find a single foal produced from frozen. His brother Romanov has excellent frozen though. To be honest, if you are looking for a dual talent/eventing stallion, he wouldn’t be my first pick.
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Foxtrot, you are in Canada right? If I recall correctly, the frozen semen from Rubin Royal is not good. When I looked into it, I couldn’t find a single foal produced from frozen. His brother Romanov has excellent frozen though. To be honest, if you are looking for a dual talent/eventing stallion, he wouldn’t be my first pick.[/QUOTE]
I’m curious; who would be your first pick? I have gone round and round looking at stallions for a mare I have, jumper bred, but with excellent movement. Because Rubin Royal has sired enough duel talent offspring to be in the top FN rankings for both, I think he is worth consideration but I can’t find any frozen offspring either.
Glad I posted - There are dual talent stallions, but with the move towards specialization there are not very many. Dressage breeding often puts some jumper blood in to aid the back end engine and this is where I’d like to go.
Rather than jumper talent as the first ingredient and hoping for movement.
My mare and her mother and grandmother were bred with this goal, to produce the dual talent, and I’m loving what I have.
If you are looking at breeding for dual talent/eventing, I would look at the best Contender sons, such as Contendro. Not necessarily a refining option, but a definitie jumper producer who passes balance and good movement with regularity.
On my list - but think he may throw heavier, as you said, and my mare is perhaps a little heavy bodied, even though she is half TB.
I’m going to have to start scratching some off the list, as it is getting to be a bunch of names without their records.
I’ve always wanted a Rubinstein because they are said to have wonderful brains.
As she is 17.00+ hands I do not want larger, either.
My 5 yo mare, who is by his full brother Romanov and out of a dressage mare, can jump. She scored an 8.0 for jumping in the mare performance test and has been to an eventing clinic. Dressage is more my thing and she’s progressing well in that direction, but she good at jumping and will continue to cross-train. I also like a all-rounder type horse.
I don’t know much about bloodlines, but my mare has Graphit on the sire side and Pilot on the dam side. I think they were well known jumping sires.
just interested, does it need to be an Oldenburg?? Otherwise I would consider Buddenbrock (I dont know why I always recommend him, I have no shares in him, but I still like him) Really I would consider him more dual talent then Rubin Royal… he comes from amazing eventer lines (Habicht, Sixtus) and produced some amazing dressage horses as well
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I’m curious; who would be your first pick? I have gone round and round looking at stallions for a mare I have, jumper bred, but with excellent movement. Because Rubin Royal has sired enough duel talent offspring to be in the top FN rankings for both, I think he is worth consideration but I can’t find any frozen offspring either.[/QUOTE]
Where are you finding your information that he has top FN rankings in both? The information I’ve found on him shows his 2016 FN dressage value as 126 and jumping as 92 (that’s below average). His Hanoverian dressage index is 119 and jumping 100 (bang on average) .
http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2014/10/rubin-royal/
I looked him up on the FN website and it shows that he has 67 registered offspring in S class dressage, 9 in jumping, 1 in eventing and 2 in driving. All this info would lead me to believe he is a very desirable stallion for producing dressage offspring, and a fairly average one for jumping. I’m sure he may have produced the odd eventing offspring, but I sure wouldn’t be looking at him specifically to produce and “dual talent” horse. Keep in mind the horse that did well at Rolex has a mother as well. I’d be looking at the damline of that horse as well to determine where the jumping talent was coming from.
If I was looking for a dual talent stallion, I’d be looking at Lissaro van del Helle or Lagoheider. Mighty Magic also comes to mind, but I’m not sure how good his frozen is. Also many of C-line Holsteiners are talented for both jumping and movement.
“Also many of C-line Holsteiners are talented for both jumping and movement.”
Which ones are best for movement?
Contender was a C-line Holsteiner who was well known as a “dual talent”. I’d be looking at some of his sons and grandsons. Come Back II jumps to mind, but he is dead now, and I’m not sure if there is frozen. Also Contendro. Conteur. Chequille Z. Carpaccio. Connaisseur is a young Dutch stallion who is available fresh in Canada. He is being promoted as a dressage sire though.
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“Also many of C-line Holsteiners are talented for both jumping and movement.”
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The C line of Cor de la Bryère. The Capitol C line is pretty much all jumps. I’m sure that is what you meant.
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The C line of Cor de la Bryère. The Capitol C line is pretty much all jumps. I’m sure that is what you meant.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
My mare is Royal Appearance and Final Pool (TB) - so there is international eventer and GP dressage trained on one side and GP showjumping on the other, with Grand National, British and French steeplechasing horses on her TB side.
Thank you for your thoughts. Mani - some of these I’ve never heard of !
According to the WBFSH rankings for 2015 Rubin Royal is 22 for eventing and 8 in dressage. Frankly I think it impressive that he can rank that well in two disciplines. That said, it is highly unlikely that I would risk his frozen semen. I love Contendro for a duel purpose sire, and there are certainly pregnancies with his semen, but it is pricey. Lagoheider doesn’t work for this mare, as she is by Landor S, his full brother. I have frozen semen from Comic Hilltop, and plan on using him.
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