Rumblings on the Secretariat movie

‘Script approval’ doesn’t exist at PC’s level, not if a major studio or big independent is actually producing this movie. You buy up someone’s rights before you spend any money on development – which is to say long before there is any production money involved.

Clive Cussler – a name with lots of money and clout behind it – demanded script approval on an adaptation of one of his books. Of course he didn’t get it, but he sued and sued and sued anyway – and lost bigtime.

I’ve been involved in these deals for a long time on various levels. Even had to deal with pesky real-life personas. But there’s no such thing as ‘script approval’ for these folks in any contract with real money or lawyers behind it. If an entity is going to spend money to buy your story rights, they’re not going to let you muck up the waters further down the road and cause them to lose their investment.

As much of an icon as Secretariat is his story lacks the drama of a Seabiscuit (or a Rocky Balboa). No colorful characters, no “little guy with nothing but a big dream and a bigger heart does good” stuff that made the Seabiscuit story so heartwarming. Plus, Nac’s book can’t hold a candle to Laura Hillenbrand’s tale.

Handsome, well bred TB from a multimillion dollar breeding farm wins a bunch of races and retires to stud at age three. The End. :sleepy:

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As much of an icon as Secretariat is his story lacks the drama of a Seabiscuit (or a Rocky Balboa). No colorful characters, no “little guy with nothing but a big dream and a bigger heart does good” stuff that made the Seabiscuit story so heartwarming. Plus, Nac’s book can’t hold a candle to Laura Hillenbrand’s tale.

Handsome, well bred TB from a multimillion dollar breeding farm wins a bunch of races and retires to stud at age three. The End. :sleepy:[/QUOTE]

Huh. I’m guessing you weren’t old enough to have lived through the Secretariat phenomenon and don’t really have a grasp of the moment.

Extremely unpopular war. Even more unpopular president. Economy sucked. Fuel issues. Country in a nationwide emotional malaise. Along comes a gorgeous horse who does what had been impossible for 25 years, raced by a onetime (but rapidly fading) famous farm now run by a housewife who had no real interest in horses. Trained by a guy whose best years were long behind him and had to be lured out of retirement. Ridden by a jockey who would later become paralyzed.

Nope, no drama there.

FWIW, Seabiscuit for his time was just as royally bred. He also had superb handling from a young age and, when he finally came into his own, was owned by a guy who – again for the time – was awash in money.

Laura Hillenbrand’s best-seller was a superb collection of historical essays about the lives and times and a great horse from an era most of us never lived through. Bill NacK’s excellent seller was a real-time book about a real-live horse.

Different perspectives, different styles, different stories, different books.

Thanks, Beezer. It was an ugly time, full of lies, and Secretariat was beautiful, and fulfilled his promise. I just don’t see how any movie could measure up to the real thing.

Is it possible to recreate the horse digitally, and “photoshop” him into the movie?

Spot on recommendations from former LA Times turf writer Bill Christine “A Dream Cast for a Flick About a Dream Horse”

Don’t decide that Sham needs a female jockey, and give the part to Penelope Cruz.

Don’t make the Belmont a photo finish just because a studio wunderkind who doesn’t know the front end from the back end thought the real race was boring.

Don’t shorten up the running of the Preakness so that the movie only shows the run from the quarter pole to the wire.

Don’t pander to the Social Security demographic by making Secretariat a gray.

The days that Onion and Prove Out upset Secretariat, let Allen Jerkens play himself.

Don’t shoot the Kentucky Derby scenes at Pomona.

Don’t shoot the Preakness at Agua Caliente.

Don’t give Eddie Sweat a love interest.

Don’t hire a band on a flatbed that follows Secretariat around the track playing “Jeepers Creepers” (it didn’t work the first time in a disaster called “Going Places” in 1938–and the band was Louie Armstrong’s).

Use Chic Anderson’s original call of the Belmont.

Don’t hire a ham actor from England to play Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder. And if there’s a cameo part for the Snyder character, make it a very small part.

Don’t have Lucien Laurin and Pancho Martin arm-wrestling at the barn a half-hour before the Derby.

Don’t have Diane Ladd, as Penny Chenery, attempt to explain her evolving surname changes. This is only a two-hour picture.

Sure there’s drama but it’s not really a movie.

I’d have a hard time coming up with a good pitch on this one (and that’s how I’ve earned a living). The right kind of conflicts and obstacles – the ones you can carry a movie forward with – aren’t really there. And if you put them in there, it’ll seem phony.

Secretariat is his own best storyteller. His Belmont Stakes tells his story better in 2:24 that you’d ever tell it in 2 hours.

An aside, as unearthed by equidaily is this proposed movie venture for late 2009. I cannot quite tell if it will be simply a documentary or a theatrical bio pic on Julie Krone.

The Boys Club - movie

(Not to be confused with the poor 1997 movie of the same title with the late Chris Penn)

IMDB.com has no info on it (working title or otherwise) which suggests it will be a documentary like Laffit - All About Winning. I’m not sure if a Krone picture would find a large audience despite the success she found in racing.

Aug 7, 2009 “‘Secretariat’ equine casting call announced”

Interested horse owners may email photographs of their equine, big-screen hopeful to casting@secretariat.com. Applicants must also complete an online Secretariat casting form at www.secretariat.com, where additional information about the casting call can also be found. All photographs will be personally reviewed by the lead wrangler for “Secretariat”, Rusty Hendrickson, who was also in charge of horse selection for such recent major motion pictures as “Seabiscuit” and “Dreamer.”

“The three main qualities I’m looking for in a horse to portray Secretariat are looks, temperament and soundness,” Hendrickson said. "A big flashy chestnut would obviously have an inherent advantage, but I’m going to need at least two main Secretariats and perhaps four stand-ins. I know that he was one of a kind, but we’ll do the best we can.

“A calm temperament is particularly key, especially when multiple takes are involved. But applicants need not feel that they must have an identical looking horse to be considered. We can do wonders with equine makeup for the white facial markings and the three white socks. Our horses need to be sound – but racing experience is not a necessity. And Secretariat’s short back and round hip are somewhat reminiscent of American Quarter Horses, so owners of that breed should also feel free to make submissions.”

If Hendrickson’s claim to fame is casting Seabiscuit, then I’m not at all impressed. I thought the horses were completely wrong, and so different, and all in winter coats. Not a slick one among them.

No way are they going to come up with a convincing Secretariat. They couldn’t do a small, plain bay with big knees; a commanding chestnut with lots of white who has been said to have had nearly perfect conformation? No way.

Too bad they are attempting this…

I’d love to see a Crash-like film…follow the fear (the end of a bogus war and boys coming home to a country turning its back on them), the dreams of kids coming out of the Ozzy and Harriet households (moms on prozac), the liberation of woman (burning bras)…the unitity of a country watching the big red colt with a promise made and kept of greatness…

Glimmerglass…loved your posts

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Worth citing is that Penny is delighted per her own comments:

“The selection of the horses to portray Secretariat is a matter of great interest to me,” said Penny Chenery, Secretariat’s distinguished owner. “I am delighted Disney is embracing the challenge of finding the best representative for my handsome colt.”

Also her remarks on the movie’s development progress (June 12, 2009)

“Secretariat is a golden opportunity for Thoroughbred racing to reach a global audience and bring more interest to the sport,” said Mrs. Chenery, Secretariat’s esteemed owner. “All parties are excited about this project and look forward to working together to bring this incredible story to the big screen.”

“Diane Lane is a lovely and talented actress who makes each of her characters a real and sympathetic person,” Mrs. Chenery said. “I am honored and delighted to be portrayed by such a skillful and perceptive actress in this project. Together Disney will retell our story with warmth and intelligence. This team will make a moving film about the power and the beauty of the Thoroughbred horse and an old man’s dream.”

As an aside Ron Turcotte was on hand at Arlington Park (IL) to present the winning trophy at the Secretariat Stakes on Saturday August 8th to Take The Points.

Last summer the Bourbon County Fair held a Secretariat Look a like contest and a colt that I had on trial won… I just recieved a call from Rusty Hendrickson the other day to see if the colt was available for the movie… how exciting!!! he took first over 32 horses and is a dead ringer!!! it was a very neat experience.

Angie just happened to go to this yesterday and won $3000. She also got to meet Secretariat’s exercise riders, owner, and the owner of Claiborn Farms. Lots of pictures too!
Secretariat reigns at Bourbon Fest
By Amy Wilson | awilson1@herald-leader.com
awilson1@herald-leader.com
Matt Goins
Matt Chappell, left, held House of Lords as Liz Weyer painted a blaze and Marissa Barry observed at the Secretariat look-alike contest in Paris Saturday. Photo by Matt Goins

PARIS — The bevy of big red horses waited more or less patiently for their turn at reflected glory. For here they were, only minutes from Claiborne Farm and a hair-breadth from men who had ridden Secretariat during his most hair-on-fire days in 1973.

Maybe they knew that the original Big Red lay in the ground only miles from here, still worshiped by those who love horses and speed.

Maybe not.

But they seemed to know they were supposed to behave. To walk with their heads up and look like they were somebody. Somebody named Secretariat.

Here Saturday at the Sosby Arena at the Bourbon County Fairgrounds, John Sosby was ready to look over the 19 prospects who had come to vie for the first-ever Secretariat look-alike crown at the first-ever Bourbon County Secretariat Festival.

The Claiborne Farm manager when Secretariat ruled the famous farm was pleased with what he was seeing.

It was 4 o’clock. All day long, a small but enthusiastic crowd had come to the fairgrounds to watch videos of the great horse’s races, to buy and bid on choice Secretariat memorabilia, and to meet owner Penny Chenery and exercise riders Jimmy Gaffney and Charlie Davis.

But this was the high point of the day. Horses — those not red, not big and not Thoroughbred — had applied and been turned away for this chance to be Big Red In Redux.

Before the show, there’s a lot of confidence. Everybody has known their horse was a dead-ringer from the day the foal slipped out of his or her mama and landed in the warm hay.

“We think a lot of this horse,” said Carol Deeble of Lexington, talking about I’m Going West, a huge horse at 17-plus hands.

Two women nearby said he’s got the edge because of his size. Secretariat, they said, was 17-1.

Actually, he was 16-2.

Therein lies a problem with the 1973 Triple Crown winning Secretariat, the horse that owns two (or, as many argue, three) of the Triple Crown tracks’ records. He is bigger than life. And bigger in death, too.

They mythologize rightly, argues Davis, his exercise rider. “I mean it. We didn’t make Secretariat. He made us. I was never the pilot with that horse. I was the co-pilot.”

Still, he wasn’t that tall.

“But he was huge in other ways,” said Davis. Asked what he would be looking for as a judge, Davis thought a long while. “Attitude,” he said. Wistfully, he said he wished he could ride them all to know for sure who should win. “Because you can look like him but he’s going to have to be The Man, you know. He’s going to have to be that special.”

Sosby, like almost no one else here, is not swayed by the Legend under discussion. On his sheet for judging the horse, simple things matter. “Look at his shoulders. Look at his hide. Look at his feet.”

His feet were the thing a lot of contenders were concentrating on, taking advantage of having their horses’ legs painted with a non-toxic paint to mimic Secretariat’s stockings.

Vicki Elliott looked across at her competition and laughed. There was a horse, not a yard from her, with his stallion halter nameplate clearly engraved with his name: “Secretariat.”

“All this time, we were looking for Elvis and we found Secretariat. They were ahead of us on that,” she said.

Shelly Mann, the quick-thinking owner of the horse with the new nameplate, said her horse (whose real name is J.J.) is “kind of chubby and I wanted the judges to know he represented the stallion years, not the racing years.”

Besides, she said, J.J. can’t read.

It took almost an hour for the 19 horses to be judged. In the pack, there were dressage horses, hunter-jumpers, eventers, fillies, divas. A yearling. A hunter on the flat. A barrel-racer. A horse who helps rope cows.

In the end, Penny Chenery would not comment on the one she found most fetching. She would say only that “I saw an element of him in every horse but no horse that had it all.”

In the end, blue and white painted blinders didn’t matter. Razzmatazz nameplates, however cute, didn’t. Even the 4-H kiddo’s story didn’t seem to move the judges.

The winner turned out to be the only stallion in the show. The only one who didn’t employ a single dab of paint anywhere. His stockings were his own. They were on the correct feet. His shoulders were broad. So, too, his backside.

Strangely, Trolley Boy (known to those close to him as Charlie) had been the first horse in the 19-horse parade.

“He made it so hard on the others,” said Sosby. But not so hard on the judges.

His owner, Angela Walker, is really starting to like him a lot.

She has owned him for all of 30 days.


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I’ve been a Secretariataholic since 1972, have played and re-played his races 100s of times. I finally went to visit him at Claiborne in '06. It was like standing on “hallowed ground” with all of the great ones around me. I’m going back in '10. When I first saw Curlin, I too was reminded of Big Red, but of course, there will never be another Secretariat. I look forward to any movie about him, as long as it isn’t hokey and does him the justice he deserves. And, THAT, is my 2 cents from a Canadian’s point of view!

Sorry, I still feel that there are some things Hollywood shouldn’t mess with, because they just don’t get it. I am one that didn’t think “Seabiscuit” was a great movie and especially hated the horses used. I offends me that they ask us to look the other way when they can’t even get the sex right. “The Hell Bitch” in the Lonesome Dove miniseries (which I do love) was a gelding, clearly. Why did they have to make the small, dark War Admiral into a 17hh monster?

Secretariat’s story is so well-known and beloved, and the horse so extraordinary that I can’t imagine them getting this down. Despite Penny’s props.

Any word on the search for Sham’s double?

It sounds like Disney is going to be filming the racing scenes at “my” training center - the Evangeline Training Center in Carencro, La. :smiley: Apparently, they can digitally insert the appropriate (CD, etc) clubhouse into the shots. Should be interesting!

Moms were not on Prozac in 1973. No one was. Fluoxetine was just in the testing stages at Eli Lilly. Prozac didn’t reach the market until 1986 and not until 1987 in the US.

If your Ozzie & Harriet moms were on anything, it was Valium. :slight_smile:

(I started my career in showbiz by doing historical research for movies. This is exactly the kind of question I’d have to deal with.)

Yup, yup, yup JER

So sorry…I was just rambling and thinking (must of been a sometimers moment…sometimes I remember, sometimes I forget)…valium…the drug of choice…how could I forget???

My goodness JER…movies must make you crazy…

Herald-Leader 8-18-09 “‘Secretariat’ incentives approved”

That makes the story of the 1973 Triple Crown winner the first film to receive incentives under the new package approved by the General Assembly in June.

According to the application, Fast Track, a subsidiary of Disney Studios, estimates it will spend $4 million in Kentucky, making it eligible for up to $800,000 in tax credits. The bill extended a 20 percent credit on approved expenditures to feature films that spend more than $500,000 in the state. There were also provisions for other types of films and Broadway shows that are produced in Kentucky.

Leonard Lusky, president of Secretariat.com, said last week that incentives were a key to getting filmmakers to shoot part of the movie in Kentucky. In the past decade, tax incentives have increasingly become a key to luring film productions to shoot on location.

Secretariat, which will tell the story of the 1973 Triple Crown winner and his owner, Penny Chenery, is expected to begin filming in late September. Locations and details have yet to be announced.

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Crazy, no. It was quite the education – I had to become an instant, in-depth expert on so many arcane subjects.

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Hello, Larry?

No not the spin off from Diff’rent Strokes but rather the purported equine face of “Secretariat”

August 23, 2009 “Secretariat Star Will Be a North Dakota Thoroughbred Named Larry”

Cyclone Larry is based in the North Dakota Horse Park (Fargo, ND) - who knew they even had one! Per the article, Larry “has been sold to Disney for the duration of production. He’ll be given back at the end of filming.

Disney Head Wrangler, Rusty Hendrickson will have three-year-old Larry shipped to the Kentucky-based training center sometime during the week of August 28. Until then, the new Hollywood “star” will reside at the North Dakota Horse Park and remain in training.

Heather said that Larry will need some help from a makeup artist to match Secretariat in the markings department; Disney countered with “no problem!”

And with this being 2009 you can add Larry as a Facebook friend