Rumblings on the Secretariat movie

NPR - jeesh… why do they think he has to have “problems on the track” for the story to be about HIM?, as the movie is labeled

that doesnt make any sense

-Ronnie hardly ever had to use the whip, Secretariat ran on his own

-Secretariat actually ran faster and faster with EACH furlong. thats AMAZING!

-he won the Belmont by 31 lengths

  • and set numerous track records

-he had a physically huge heart, but, the chambers and walls were all proportionate to the size.

-he liked his baths

-he liked cameras

-after his first race, Lucien put those blinders on him and he started winning.

  • the training and prep alone of Secretariat is a movie in itself

could build A LOT of fluff with those above… makes me think Disney did NO research, and new NOTHING about Secretariat or HIS life.

no honorable mention to Riva, or Sham

2 things they actually did squeeze in were

he did get a tooth abscess during the Wood

he was smashed out of the gate on his maiden run

None of that is a plot or drama. It’s trivia.

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NPR - jeesh… why do they think he has to have “problems on the track” for the story to be about HIM?, as the movie is labeled

that doesnt make any sense

-Ronnie hardly ever had to use the whip, Secretariat ran on his own

-Secretariat actually ran faster and faster with EACH furlong. thats AMAZING!

-he won the Belmont by 31 lengths

  • and set numerous track records

-he had a physically huge heart, but, the chambers and walls were all proportionate to the size.

-he liked his baths

-he liked cameras

-after his first race, Lucien put those blinders on him and he started winning.

  • the training and prep alone of Secretariat is a movie in itself

could build A LOT of fluff with those above… makes me think Disney did NO research, and new NOTHING about Secretariat or HIS life.

no honorable mention to Riva, or Sham

2 things they actually did squeeze in were

he did get a tooth abscess during the Wood

he was smashed out of the gate on his maiden run[/QUOTE]

You really need to calm down. You are taking this MUCH too personally. The movie did a good job of getting the basic story right and it will appeal to the millions who weren’t around for the real thing. The FAMILY is fine with the movie. Shouldn’t their opinion matter a little? It is a 90 MINUTE film trying to compact a huge story. Try giving credit for a change.

The minutae that you find so appealing would put the average movie goer to sleep, if they even understood it.

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You really need to calm down. You are taking this MUCH too personally. The movie did a good job of getting the basic story right and it will appeal to the millions who weren’t around for the real thing. The FAMILY is fine with the movie. Shouldn’t their opinion matter a little? It is a 90 MINUTE film trying to compact a huge story. Try giving credit for a change.

The minutae that you find so appealing would put the average movie goer to sleep, if they even understood it.[/QUOTE]

first of all, please dont tell me to “calm down” you are not my boss.

2nd of all, im not all that upset… i mean, its not the end of the world for me or anything. so, you telling me to “calm down” is really kind of pointless, and NOT your place anyway…

am I taking “it personally”???.. NO… DUH!.. im mean, im sure they didnt BOTCH that movie just for little ole ME, they botched it for EVERYONE… honestly, dont where you get that…

3rd, I though this was a forum where people were allowed to express their opinions??? was I wrong?

my opinion is that, I know what went on with that horse, he was my lifelong hero. IMO, they BOTCHED IT. not the end of the world for me, but, this is my opinion

you take a “chill pill” and stop trying to control others… huh?

Despite good reviews from the critics the boxoffice receipts for opening weekend were modest at #3. Approx $12.6M which is less than Seabiscuit’s opening take in 2003 at $20.9M

Disney’s aggressively marketed “Secretariat” started much slower out of the gate than the studio had hoped. Since early summer’s blockbuster “Toy Story 3,” Disney has seen a string of disappointments, including “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice,” “Step Up 3-D,” and “You Again.”

But there’s reason for Disney to believe it won’t be a short race for “Secretariat,” which cost $35 million to produce. Those who came loved the picture, giving it an average grade of A, according to market research firm CinemaScore.

The film drew a mostly older crowd that likely remembers the Triple Crown winner from 1973, because 58% of attendees were over 35. With Disney promoting the film to religious audiences, it played best in smaller cities between the coasts, such as Salt Lake City and Denver. Movies that draw adults in smaller markets, such as “The Blind Side,” can hang in at the box office.

“We’re going to play this one for the long term,” said Viane.

The reviewing community is not without some very bitter debate in particular Ebert (linked and cited before) vs. Andrew O’Hehir of Salon.

Roger Ebert’s counterpunch to O’Hehir and his Secretariat review:

O’Hehir’s review is a cri de coeur against evil in the shape of a film. While showing how this woman “lucks into owning a genetic freak,” he says the film papers over all of the historic wrongs in American history, including those of its own period: “The year Secretariat won the Triple Crown was the year the Vietnam War ended and the Watergate hearings began.” It is “creepy, half-hilarious master-race propaganda almost worthy of Leni Riefenstahl,” he writes, about how “all right-thinking Americans are united in their adoration of a Nietzschean Überhorse.” In fact, “Big Red himself is a big, handsome MacGuffin, symbolic window dressing for a quasi-inspirational fantasia of American whiteness and power.”

I’m not making this up. How did a lifelong liberal like myself manage to leave peacefully at the end, instead of organizing the audience and leading a demonstration right then and there?

Insanity. For those unfamiliar with Leni Riefenstahl.

As for those who don’t like the movie, or cannot get past its lacking this or overall less than gritty realism - I respect that. However Disney isn’t going to re-cut the film, edit it down, re-shoot scenes or otherwise take another stab at getting it done to universal satisfaction. From the time it was announced the film was going to take liberties, it wasn’t going to have Riva, it wasn’t going to focus on racing strategy, it wasn’t going to cast Sham as the heartbroken but never did anything wrong horse he was.

Again I recommend that anyone wanting to see what the real story is check out the ESPN SportsCentury episode on Secretariat. This movie is endorced by Bill Nack and Penny so obviously they are delighted in how it finally came about. Perfect? Even they have gripes but the movie certainly won’t do anyting to ruin racing or erode the legacy of Secretariat.

As an aside - Disney is slated for another horse picture in 2011 although likely to generate far less passionate pro/anti feelings that Secretariat has. It should be an exceptionally emotional drama none the less.

Steven Spielberg directs War Horse which is now scheduled tol be released Dec 2011. Unlike Secretariat Disney is only the releasing company as it produced by Amblin/Dreamworks SKG. (Secretariat was produced by Mayhem Pictures & Walt Disney Pictures)

This follows a young man named Albert and his horse, Joey, and how their bond is broken when Joey is sold to the cavalry and sent to the trenches during World War I. Despite being too young to enlist, Albert still heads to France to save his friend.

You have no heart if you aren’t moved in some way by the bonds of solder of horses in WWI

Interestingly, as noted before, there was some objections by the Slate reviewer on the presentation of the early 1970’s. Penny Chennery’s son wrote to Roger Ebert about it:

Suntimes Ebert Blog October 9, 2010

As Penny Chenery’s youngest son, I am fascinated by “Secretariat’s” reception by critics, and the dialogue between Ebert and O’Hehir is to me the most interesting so far. Rather than taking sides about whether the movie is “good” or “bad” (I am far too close to evaluate its merits), I want to comment on the value I see in both reviewers’ perspectives. From their conflicting angles, each shines a light on something I believe to be true about both the movie and the events that gave rise to it.

I understand O’Hehir’s perception of something relentlessly, indeed forcedly, upbeat about the story, perhaps masking a troubling reality underneath. The movie does, indeed, glamorize and improve on my family’s situation in the early 1970s, as it sanitizes the cultural context of that era. In real life, we Tweedys were more riven and frayed by the large and small conflicts of the time, and by the pressures of celebrity into which we were suddenly thrust. The wars between our parents were more bitter, the marriage more broken, and we kids were more alienated and countercultural than the movie depicts. During the pre-race CBS broadcast at the Belmont, Woody Broun interviewed my dad, my siblings and me, asking Jack whether he was the “power behind the throne.” He gamely (and for me now, poignantly) replied that he was proud of his wife, his kids, “and the horse.” Mom had wanted us to be all together for that interview, but away from the cameras we were each living in a separate world. The movie navigates this terrain with a combination of erasure, gentleness, and tact, and from the point of view of my family’s privacy, I am grateful.

But Ebert is right that there is something more – and something better – at work in the movie than simply airbrushing over painful truth. My mother has always known that the “Secretariat story,” and her role in it, filled a deep cultural need. While the country was convulsed by feminism, Watergate and Vietnam, Penny took pains to present as a wife and mother, offering a wholesome, western, maternal female image that paired beautifully with the heroic, powerful male icon that Secretariat was becoming. Our President may have been a Machiavellian liar, our soldiers denounced as baby-killers, and our fathers excoriated as chauvinist pigs as they commuted grimly to work. But here came Secretariat, deeply male, muscular and graceful, his chest lathered with sublimated sex. And on that day in June 1973, when he blew away the field in the Belmont Stakes, he transcended argument, rivalry, even transcended sport itself. In that moment Secretariat gave my family, and gave the public, something like grace.

Now we are again in a cultural moment of war and dissension. My sense is that the movie’s creators didn’t feel the need to portray the convulsions of the early 1970s, in part because today’s audiences carry the burdens of our current convulsions into the theaters with them, hoping to escape briefly to a world they can believe in and admire. I think the movie is offered to satisfy the old hunger for a kingly male and a queenly female, who together strive for something beyond themselves, who seek victory, and achieve grace. Disney has long been in the business of telling this kind of story. The best such films rise to the level of archetype, while lesser ones sink into the mire of cliche, or worse. Whether “Secretariat” succeeds in this mythic leap is for critics to argue, and for audiences to decide. Personally, I’m enjoying the ride, as well as the critical dust it’s kicking up.

John Tweedy

This was posted on previous ‘Horse Racing Mystery’ discussions, I wonder if with the movie and all the side discussions on Big Red II if there will be a revisting of this bizarre piece of his legacy …

Re: Fanfreluche who was in foal with a Secretariat baby, later to give birth to the colt Sain Et Sauf. He was ultimately shipped to India for stud duty.

[Franfreluch] a/k/a “Brandy” per the reports of the day Larry and Sandra McPherson - in Tompkinsville, KY kept her in a lumber shed behind their mobile home. They rode her several times, as Sandra later told The Blood-Horse. “She rides rough when she’s going slow, and she’s hard to hold back sometimes.”

There never was a ransom note or plot to extort money from Claiborne Farm tied to the kidnapping. Although William Michael McCandless of Paducah, KY and an exercise rider was arrested and I believe did jail time and/or paid a fine. It was theorized that he let the horse go in an act of revenge.

M/M Bert Firestone acquired “Brandy” later in 1978 and she produced one more foal - a colt named D’Accord (not sired by Secretariat) who was a Grade 2 winner and successful runner.

An interesting read from the day: Sports Illustrated December 19, 1977 “The Toast Of Tompkinsville”

[quote]Fanfreluche was living quietly and happily on a little farm near Tompkinsville, Ky., about 150 miles south of Claiborne. There she was known as “Brandy,” and the farm’s owner, Larry McPherson, treated her no differently from his pony, his quarter horse and his palomino, whose combined value was less than $600. McPherson, an apprentice steam-pipe fitter with the Tennessee Valley Authority, apparently found the mare one morning last summer standing in the road that runs past his house trailer.

Never dreaming of her true identity—“You’re always finding horses and cows in the road in our part of the country,” says McPherson—he did the neighborly thing, which was to take her and keep her until the owner showed up to claim her. While he waited, McPherson let his friends and family ride Brandy around the “horse lot” on his three-acre farm. And he took such a liking to the mare that he turned down an offer of $200 for her.

“I just didn’t feel right selling something that didn’t belong to me,” McPherson says, “so I just kept her and waited for the day when somebody would come claim her.”

Somebody finally did—at 2:15 p.m. on Thursday, Dec. 8. That’s when an FBI agent and the state police, acting on a tip, converged on McPherson’s farm. When he heard their story, McPherson says, “It liked to have knocked the feet out from under me.” Fanfreluche was standing in a field, and the FBI man recognized her even at a distance. “I think some of our agents would know her in their sleep,” FBI Special Agent Robert Pence says.

Sure enough, a check of the mare’s lip tattoo showed that she was No. W 12997—Fanfreluche. Seth Hancock, president of Claiborne Farm, who had given up hope of finding the mare alive, was notified. He immediately set off in a van with farm manager John Sos-by for McPherson’s farm, so far from Claiborne in so many ways.

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Thank you for the heads up on this, Glimmer. I’ll be eagerly awaiting its release as it involves two of my most favorite topics: horses and the Great War.

You really can’t win…always hear complaints not enough coverage of equestrian sports, no horse tv shows or movies - no wonder - whenever we get them they get ripped to shreds.

It’s ENTERTAINMENT…not real life. It for your viewing pleasure! Some people take movies/tv wayyyy too seriously.

Secretariat’s last race

I was following some of the links that Glimmerglass has posted of the Secretariat clips and found this series of two. I apologize if they have been posted before but I found them to be a very interesting look at his last race in Canada.

I hope the links come through
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig6mVScZ4bc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e01dC6UWXx8&feature=related

I found it amazing to watch him come off the plane the way he did!
Hope you enjoy them as much as I did

I saw it the other night and loved it.

I went in knowing it was Disney, and what Disney’s track record is on accurate animal portrayals. (Hell, accurate life portrayals!) It was predictably absurd on many levels, and still a wonderful evening’s entertainment. I left grinning ear to ear (and a little teary-eyed), came home and hunted up YouTube footage of the actual races. Judging by the numbers of hits and recent comments, I’m not the only one.

I think it is a pretty decent tribute to an amazing time in racing history, put in such a way that non-racing, non-horse savvy people can understand and appreciate what a phenomenon Secretariat was.

I suggest that those who are miffed about the bazillion things that were wrong or missing pony up the $$$$ to get an accurate documentary produced.

Well, I’m by turns amused and creeped out by John Tweedy’s Freudian take on his mother and Secretariat – she was the queen and her horse the king and when he raced it was all about sublimated sex? Huh??

There are so few mental health professionals who interpret dynamics from a strictly Freudian perspective that it always leaves me bemused by how often you see Freudian interpretations and perspectives hanging on in literary and artistic critiques and the like. Psychology moved on from Freud many decades ago, incorporating his ideas but rarely utilizing them in their purest and most extreme forms.

But it’s interesting that John Tweedy is saying his mother was careful to portray the maternal, traditional female role whereas most of the movie’s viewers and critics are seeing her as someone who broke out of that role.

But anyway, I had done some internet research after I saw the movie opening weekend – and didn’t the Tweedys divorce a year or so after Secretariat’s Triple Crown? The movie ended with a suggestion of rapprochement within the marriage although they don’t come right out and say they stayed together, just that Penny “saved her family.”

On a separate note, I read that Penny’s father actually spent his last 5 years in a hospital (which IRL may well have been the best place for him, no question at all in my mind). But of course the movie had to portray it that Penny insisted he stay at home, as though having him receive inpatient care would have been a horrible fate and when of course he had to be home so he could have Secretariat’s trophies ringed around his bedroom.

But none of my comments are meant to imply that I didn’t like the movie. I liked it. Didn’t love it but liked it. For me it’s on par with Seabiscuit, which I saw during its initial run in theaters but haven’t yet bothered to see again on DVD. I don’t see myself buying my own copy of this movie, but I am glad if it stirs up even a little general interest in horses and racing.

Also, I have great admiration for Penny Chenery; she is a lifelong supporter of horse racing and a magnetic personality. I’m glad the movie spurred me (pun intended) into reviewing the life of an amazing horse and the people around him.

An aside on the Phipps family and their tie to Secretariat: Palm Beach Oct 6, 2010 “Palm Beach family sold Seabiscuit, missed out on Secretariat”

Dinny Phipps was 28 years old when he made the deal to mate the family’s stallion, Bold Ruler – still owned by his grandmother – with Chris and Penny Chenery’s mare at their Virginia farm.

Phipps and his father had already decided they would bypass a colt to hold out for a filly.

They were already building up a stable of the best female horses in the country. Their hope was to add another well-bred female, a strategy that would eventually help the Phipps family claim some of racing’s most successful horses in years to come.

Plus, Gladys Mills Phipps already owned Bold Ruler, the “leading stallion in the country,” said Penny Chenery, in a conference call to publicize the movie. In fact, many thought Bold Ruler had the best bloodlines in the world, said Bill Nack, author of Secretariat, on which the movie is based. He called Bold Ruler a “sire of sires.”

So, the two sides agreed to flip a coin to see who would have first choice of the foals born.

“I’m not innately a gambler,” Chenery said.

The Phippses won and Dinny Phipps heard about their luck while he was on a business trip overseas. The firstborn was a female, a filly they snatched up and later named The Bride.

So what happened to the Phippses’ horse?

“What we had was a sister to Secretariat that couldn’t outrun me,” said Dinny Phipps, laughing. “We wanted a filly out of the mating, it just didn’t work out for us.”

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Well, I’m by turns amused and creeped out by John Tweedy’s Freudian take on his mother and Secretariat – she was the queen and her horse the king and when he raced it was all about sublimated sex? Huh??

There are so few mental health professionals who interpret dynamics from a strictly Freudian perspective that it always leaves me bemused by how often you see Freudian interpretations and perspectives hanging on in literary and artistic critiques and the like. Psychology moved on from Freud many decades ago, incorporating his ideas but rarely utilizing them in their purest and most extreme forms.

But it’s interesting that John Tweedy is saying his mother was careful to portray the maternal, traditional female role whereas most of the movie’s viewers and critics are seeing her as someone who broke out of that role.

But anyway, I had done some internet research after I saw the movie opening weekend – and didn’t the Tweedys divorce a year or so after Secretariat’s Triple Crown? The movie ended with a suggestion of rapprochement within the marriage although they don’t come right out and say they stayed together, just that Penny “saved her family.”

On a separate note, I read that Penny’s father actually spent his last 5 years in a hospital (which IRL may well have been the best place for him, no question at all in my mind). But of course the movie had to portray it that Penny insisted he stay at home, as though having him receive inpatient care would have been a horrible fate and when of course he had to be home so he could have Secretariat’s trophies ringed around his bedroom.

But none of my comments are meant to imply that I didn’t like the movie. I liked it. Didn’t love it but liked it. For me it’s on par with Seabiscuit, which I saw during its initial run in theaters but haven’t yet bothered to see again on DVD. I don’t see myself buying my own copy of this movie, but I am glad if it stirs up even a little general interest in horses and racing.

Also, I have great admiration for Penny Chenery; she is a lifelong supporter of horse racing and a magnetic personality. I’m glad the movie spurred me (pun intended) into reviewing the life of an amazing horse and the people around him.[/QUOTE]

I am beyond creeped out about the queen image with the king image being a horse! Okey dokey. Catherine the Great should be happy that the slander against her has been finally laid to rest and that now according to her son, Penny has her day. omg

Seems more Jungian than Freudian.

^Why Jungian, are you seeing the king and queen as archetypes? To me seeing sublimated sex in everything is Freud, and with this case being a son talking about his mother, his father, and his seeing his mother’s horse as her king with his “chest lathered in the sweat of sublimated sex” (talk about your Oedipal issues), it seemed more Freudian.

In any event, not the usual way of talking about one’s family in a public forum.

The Hollywood Reporter July 3, 2012: "Disney Sues Horse-Racing Announcer’s Estate Over ‘Secretariat’

Disney has filed a lawsuit in New York that seeks a declaratory judgment that its film doesn’t violate the publicity rights of fomer CBS track announcer Charles Anderson, who died in 1979. According to the studio, his heirs have spent two years since the film came out, arguing that Anderson’s voice was used in the film without authorization.

Disney says that Anderson’s voice was not used in Secretariat. The defendants couldn’t be reached for comment, but from the looks of the complaint, it appears as though they might be prepared to argue that there should be protection anyway since the races were originally called by him. No word on whether the film actually used Anderson’s words, but the plaintiffs add that the film is entitled to First Amendment protection as an expressive work.

Anderson’s family is also purportedly alleging that the DVD and Blu-Ray included bonus materials that included historical footage.

But Disney and Buena Vista say the footage was properly licensed from CBS Broadcasting and any publicity rights or copyrights belonged to CBS as part of a work-for-hire agreement. Additionally, because Anderson was allegedly domiciled in New York at the time of his death, the plaintiffs say he can’t confer publicity rights to his family.

One does have to wonder if the original-creation-phrase “he’s moving like a tremendous machine” which only came from Chick shouldn’t merit some credit and compensation.

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The Hollywood Reporter July 3, 2012: "Disney Sues Horse-Racing Announcer’s Estate Over ‘Secretariat’

One does have to wonder if the original-creation-phrase “he’s moving like a tremendous machine” which only came from Chick shouldn’t merit some credit and compensation.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking, “Charles Anderson, Charles Anderson…who??” until well, of course, you mentioned Chick! Well, duh…:lol:

If I were them I’d be more inclined to sue because they mentioned Chick’s name and then totally ruined his call. His call was WAY more exciting. The movie basically just had him tolling off the lengths. He’s 6 ahead. Now by 11. 26 lengths, etc. They left out my favorite part, where you could hear the wonderment in Chick’s voice as he said “Secretariat is all alone!” And the reassurance he gave a little before the end when he said “Secretariat is going to be the Triple Crown winner!” At that point I still was afraid somebody was going to come charging up and pass him, the way so often happens.