Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

What a nightmare. I hope we hear from PP soon that she is able to straighten everything out when she gets home, and can retreive her animals without having a nervous breakdown.

You know, most decent caring neighbors would be over there offering help with the fence instead of preening for the camera while they throw the neighbor under the bus.

And where the HELL are her students, trainer, and the farm sitter while this is going on?

As for the prior citation… didn’t they say it wasn’t for providing adequate shelter? Like you know, when the horse clueless people in our suburbs see my guys out in the rain and snow and accuse me of neglecting them, even though they have perfectly warm and dry stalls with racks filled with hay that they can go into any time they please? Our local AC guy had a chuckle about that one. And when another neighbor called AC out about my friends horses… who were fat, shiny, healthy, and had great feet, but were covered in mud after a week of rain.

AC is pretty useless in most areas when it comes to assessing whether or not a horse is being neglected.

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AC is pretty useless in most areas when it comes to assessing whether or not a horse is being neglected.[/QUOTE]

This. Times 1,000. Especially here in Maine.

There are documented cases of horses literally starving to death while AC looked on. There was a horse earlier this year who was underfed and the AC officer who went out to look at him decided that his hip bones were sticking out because of his large frame, like a freakin’ dairy cow. (the horse was later euthanized due to his condition).

Maine is a tricky state - the “old boys club” is still very alive and well, and those who are in with them can do no wrong. Those who aren’t, well, they have to hope for the best.

I so hope we get pp’s side of the story soon, and I will be happy to do what I can to help her out in this situation.

I remember years ago thinking new horse next to mine was not given water.
Turns out the (muck) bucket had a hole in it.

The link I provided earlier has an update saying in effect the horses will not be adopted out until the case is closed.

I also hope that the New England CoThers can get together to help PP.
To get her much loved horses back. Help her where needed ie fencing, moving the heavy stuff I am sure she cannot do herself. And why not build some sheds for her and her horses.

She is indeed a much loved poster.

The link for PPs website given by SayItAintSo on the first page of this thread works.

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I also hope that the New England CoThers can get together to help PP.
To get her much loved horses back. Help her where needed ie fencing, moving the heavy stuff I am sure she cannot do herself. And why not build some sheds for her and her horses.

She is indeed a much loved poster.[/QUOTE]

My husband and I would he happy to help spearhead that if anyone is interested.

i dont think PP owes us anything.

in this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

can you imagine if this had happened to YOU? i am sure the first thing you would think of is:

oh, i gotta go fill in the folks on COTH!

no, i am sure she will:

a) be devastated emotionally and probably financially
b) be embarrassed!
c) be far more worried about getting her animals back.

cant we all just be NICE and caring and not want anything in return?

eta: i am crying now because this whole thing is so sad and somehow seems like a setup… and the response of some here is just horrid.

to the poster above who has said she could help . thank you.

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I wonder if fugly will pick up this story, hope so.[/QUOTE]

oh I’m sure she will - if nothing else, Fugly is the queen of dirt - and always happy to crow, regardless of the actual facts.

(no dog in this fight- just I’ve caught fugly writing a lie one too many times to believe a gd thing she might type on teh interwebz as truth.)

innocent until proven guilty.

remember?

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i dont think PP owes us anything.

in this country you are innocent until proven guilty.

can you imagine if this had happened to YOU? i am sure the first thing you would think of is:

oh, i gotta go fill in the folks on COTH!

no, i am sure she will:

a) be devastated emotionally and probably financially
b) be embarrassed!
c) be far more worried about getting her animals back.

cant we all just be NICE and caring and not want anything in return?

eta: i am crying now because this whole thing is so sad and somehow seems like a setup… and the response of some here is just horrid.

to the poster above who has said she could help . thank you.[/QUOTE]

Yes, as someone posted earlier, she is right now consumed with trying to get home and start sorting this mess out. Not posting updates and defending herself on COTH. Indeed, if she were posting now, I’d be suspicious as hell.

That neighbor seemed a little too smug and self-satisfied.

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Why wouldn’t they just give them water since they looked to be in otherwise good condition until they can locate the owner and figure out what happened? Seems like that would be a much better use of resources.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention that there seemed to be no concern that she could have been lying in a ditch somewhere.

[QUOTE=mbm;5147130]
innocent until proven guilty.

remember?[/QUOTE]
yes and I’m rolling my eyes at the level of asshattery (new word! yay me) going on here tonight - when no one knows what really happened yet.

the whole gleeful rubbing of hands together is pathetically childish - but eh, thats just my opinion.

just reading thru this thread… started off as the regular, oh how horrid it is to see animals not taken care of…

and in a heartbeat, since people know pintopiaffe on this board… its innocent until proven guilty??

havent seen the video, but the pics look like a couple shabbily groomed horses on a less than par farm. as for the pic of the horse rearing :eek: who’s to know that horse has EVER been in a trailer OR what kind of methods they were using to get the horse in the trailer :no:

Was it a case of ‘abuse’ from the owner? negligence? maybe, maybe not. If its been an investigation for over a year tho…

I know that next time a see or read about a case of abuse i wont be so quick to make judgement whether i know the person or not. Always 3 sides to a story right…

Perhaps Cothers could all email the two news stations that carried the story and tell them that those horses are NOT starved or thin. Muddy, yes.

The place needs some work and if people really want to step up to that plate, tell them that too!

Tell them that horses do quite well without amenities. That Disney movies are bunk when it comes to horses.

Anyone could be the victim of a vindictive and (horse) ignorant neighbor.

Maybe this is an opportunity to get the word out that horse people stick together.

I must say, looking at that last news clip posted, none of those horses look to be in bad shape at all. In fact, they look just fine. NOT what I expected when first reading the title of the thread. Granted, there is no excuse for them having no water, but those horses in no way look like they have been malnourished or abandoned for weeks at a time. Just my opinion from looking at the news clip. This very much looks like a horribly unreliable pet sitter issue to me…

I grew up in Maine, in the Bangor/ Dedham area in fact. The farm/trailer looks no different from a lot of the properties in the area. It is, in general, not a wealthy area. Many properties would look like “dumps” to people from more urban areas with tighter zoning/ordinances. Does not mean that the horses are not cared for. Obviously, trash/junk in pasture areas is a hazard, but really can’t tell from the video clip if this is the case. Just because there is junk in the YARD of the trailer, does not mean it is in the horses pasture. Again, seen a lot of “dumpy” properties in rural Maine like this. I keep going back to the fact that the horses did NOT look at all skinny to me…muddy? some, yes. Not “show groomed?” Ok. They look like any other backyard horse that is not clipped/groomed/showsheened every day. It rains a lot in Maine, gets MUDDY. Horse like to roll in mud. I know MINE does, ESPECIALLY after I have just bathed him! lol.

The couple of comments made by the neighbors bothered me as well…makes me think they don’t know that horses are meant to live OUTSIDE…one comment was how the horses had “ice on their hair” in the winter. As we all know…horses living outside in the winter, even if they HAVE access to a barn, will often stand in the snow and rain. Heavy winter coats are made to protect them, and the snow is insulation. Our horses when I was growing up, lived in a pasture year round. Never clipped, no blankets. Their shelter pine trees, which served as a wind break/ snow break. We brought them in the barn, ONLY on the bitterest of days, or if there were severe thunderstorms in the area… maybe total of a couple of days a year. They were FINE! Happy, healthy, fat and sassy… when I listened to the neighbors…“they are standing in the sun”…its MAINE…rarely gets above 75 in the summer…“they have ice and snow on them”…they are HORSES…meant to live outside etc…something seems off about the whole situation to me.

anyway…will reserve judgement and wait for more info. I must say, if the situation DOES turn out to be not what advertised in the media, it will be a good wake-up for me. I am as guilty of anyone of indignant outrage when these horse neglect threads show up. If this turns out to be “bad pet sitter and neighbors with a vendetta,” (which is looking very likely to me at this point,) it will show me I should take SOME of these threads with a healthy grain of salt…

I agree also. The whole situation is very sad. :frowning: :sadsmile:

Caitlin

Wow, WEG is turning out to be much more interesting than I thought it would be.

I really hope things work out for her, those horses look in fine condition to me, the neighbors don’t sound like horse people so they may not understand the range of conditions horses can live in. The grounds look like they could do with some maintenance.

Glad to see that some COTH’ers are getting involved and that she has heard what is going on.

I would be really surprised if this were truly a case of abuse …PP just did not strike me as the kind of person who would just leave her animals with no water ect. What a situation!

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Not to mention that there seemed to be no concern that she could have been lying in a ditch somewhere.[/QUOTE]

Glad you mentioned this - I’ve been thinking it as well. There seems to be something very weird about this entire thing. Perhaps PP really is the horse boogy-man, but I really want to believe the best. :frowning:

I’m all for hanging animal abusers and those that intentionally neglect animals, but after seeing those videos, I just don’t see it here. I’m betting that the pet sitter did a no show. The owner is still responsible, but I’d cut them some slack for something that couldn’t be foreseen.

The wacky sounding neighbors that are obviously unfamiliar with horses concerns me.

I hope everything turns out for the best. Whatever, “the best” is for the horses and cats once the full situation is figured out concerning feed, water, safety.

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I’m all for hanging animal abusers and those that intentionally neglect animals, but after seeing those videos, I just don’t see it here. I’m betting that the pet sitter did a no show. The owner is still responsible, but I’d cut them some slack for something that couldn’t be foreseen.

The wacky sounding neighbors that are obviously unfamiliar with horses concerns me.

I hope everything turns out for the best. Whatever, “the best” is for the horses and cats once the full situation is figured out concerning feed, water, safety.[/QUOTE]

If the petsitter pulled a no-show, there had better be a hospital somewhere in their story. At minimum.