Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

This should provide a link to PP’s photobucket/album. Looks like most of the photos were taken at her property. The horses are in the pasture, in good flesh - etc. Some of these photos are a couple of years old.

Wouldn’t you think the generator she has is (and has been) supplying power
for water and the fencing?

http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/pintopiaffe/

Who says the old bathtub is supposed to be for water? We have one in a paddock where my horse is boarded. Gave up on using it for water for various reasons.

Eh, if she’s clever she has a solar powered fence charger. Don’t need no stinkin edison wires.

“…Heck, Equilibrium could be a chronic alcoholic with multiple manslaughter convictions.”

slowly raises hand…

[QUOTE=grayarabs;5148016]

Wouldn’t you think the generator she has is (and has been) supplying power
for water and the fencing?
.[/QUOTE]

Erm, generators don’t run themselves. They need to be refueled every 4-8 hours in general, depending on the type.

[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;5147975]

there are many places with “stock” scenery and farm photos off the internet and people who only use glossy show photos…not “around the place” pics

Tamara in TN

I know of more than one place that uses pictures of horses technically taken on their property, but on the very edge, looking out at the neighbor’s green fields instead of their own over-crowded dilapidated dry lots.

[QUOTE=grayarabs;5148016]
Some of these photos are a couple of years old.
http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/pintopiaffe/

Who says the old bathtub is supposed to be for water? We have one in a paddock where my horse is boarded. Gave up on using it for water for various reasons.[/QUOTE]

and some are from last winter…there are the home place with tape fence and all…

there are fat hairy horses standing around eating hay…I noticed the hay shed in the background seems to be the same canvas/pipe building that looks like a storm hit it in the news video and the same bathtub…

Tamara in TN

[QUOTE=Wayside;5148031]

[QUOTE=Tamara in TN;5147975]

I know of more than one place that uses pictures of horses technically taken on their property, but on the very edge, looking out at the neighbor’s green fields instead of their own over-crowded dilapidated dry lots.[/QUOTE]

another breeder I know carefully edits out all the nasty fencing and buildings and has them,just as you say,pointed toward the neighbors place :wink:

Tamara in TN

I am baffled. I know you can’t judge a person by their internet persona.

But a few thing there in that story don’t add up. While they say the property was without power they show a shot with a big box fan in the window. The horses are in very good weight.
Horses do nose through the dirt.

And these well meaning neighbors have no clue…
So AC steps in ‘sure there are starving animals out there, but this case takes precedent’ wtf?

:no:
sad story all around.

Not sure if I want to know the update or the conclusion, I have serious doubts they will be butterflies and roses…

[QUOTE=naturalequus;5147578]
Because many of us have experienced loose horses. I can recall having an escape-artist filly at the track who was constantly getting out, despite our best efforts.[/QUOTE]

Oh, ok then, PP’s almost complete lack of effort to keep her horses in is totally ok! I assume you have the same set-up as her? Poly tape tied in knots around metal stakes? Bent metal tubes held together with plastic zip ties?

And V.Davenport is the neighbor and fiancee of the other neighbor T.Gilley?
VD looks to be quite young. Geez.

Actually, that’s not true. Definition for neglect in Texas includes “tortured,seriously overworked, unreasonably abandoned, unreasonably deprived of necessary food, care or made to fight with another animal”. It has been that way the entire time I’ve been involved with rescue - which is now 12 years. The only change is that shelter used to be included in the definition and now it is not.

We help seize plenty of animals throughout the state based on their actual condition - poor condition scores. Sometimes water is present. Sometimes it is not. Sometimes food is present but is not being fed. Sometimes it is not. Sometimes inadequate food is present. Sometimes it is not.

[QUOTE=Alagirl;5148036]
I am baffled. I know you can’t judge a person by their internet persona.

But a few thing there in that story don’t add up. While they say the property was without power they show a shot with a big box fan in the window. The horses are in very good weight.
Horses do nose through the dirt.

And these well meaning neighbors have no clue…
So AC steps in ‘sure there are starving animals out there, but this case takes precedent’ wtf?

:no:
sad story all around.

Not sure if I want to know the update or the conclusion, I have serious doubts they will be butterflies and roses…[/QUOTE]

Sigh I keep coming back to this thread hoping for an update, from PP herself…

We have an ongoing case here in town… 73 horses and 55 cats seized. Deplorable conditions. A BNT threw his support behind the breeder (hoarder.) Somehow a judge was convinced that horses standing in 4’ of crap, with long toes, no water, little food, hundreds of pound underweight for months and months on end was a common “livestock” practice. Breeder now has 40 of the horses back. WTF.

There were a few people who thought the SPCA and local authorities were being “overzealous” in taking the horses but alas having had several friends involved in the transport and care of the animals, it was Real and True Neglect.

Seems the legal system and AC are often waaay off the mark when it comes to investigations and seizures. Guess we’ll have to see how things play out here. PP has been nothing but kind to me and many others over the years, and while I know that may not “mean” much I just have this gut feeling that she’s really not the crazy animal abuser the media articles are making her out to be…

Don’t hold your breath. If she’s smart she’ll listen to her lawyer and keep her mouth shut.

[QUOTE=JSwan;5148082]
Don’t hold your breath. If she’s smart she’ll listen to her lawyer and keep her mouth shut.[/QUOTE]

Duh, you’re right.

Ah well guess we may never know how this ends. At least not any time soon…

I doubt she has a lawyer…and do you know that in MA. the law states a horse can work 9 hours a day 7 days a week? I have seen skinnier horses at a boarding/lesson barn.

I hope this is all just a terrible misunderstanding…

Me, too. Not expecting much, though.

I’ve read the majority of this thread, and the only thing I have to say, is…

Cluck, cluck, cluck.

Geez. :eek:

Several people on this thread have used the abbreviation “MA”, which is Massachusetts (Bogey2 might actually be referring to MA, but I don’t think others were). Pintopiaffe is in Maine, which is “ME”.

Carry on. :slight_smile:

My thoughts are this.
For the state to take animals into custody costs the town…in other words the board for these horses is on the towns payroll. Not many towns have that kind of extra funding.

This is a wake up call to PP. I would think she will be able to get her horses back after meeting some conditions.

As I said earlier, they have probably been working with her, explaining what she needs to do, etc to meet a certain acceptable standard of care. She blew them off, and when she allegedly abandoned these horses and went out of town(to weg), they acted.

I would think those of you who sold or gave her horses might want to contact her about getting your horses back.

PP also can give up some of the horses to ACO/town and they can be sold.

No municipality wants to feed/board horses. In my personal experience, that is the reason aco’s try and work with individuals who border on neglect/abuse rather than doing immediate seizures. In PP’s case, they have been working with her for a year, and she also has prior convictions. Has she ever posted about those or explained them?.

I hope PP if reading this, understands the enormity and the severity of not taking an acceptable standard of care for her animals. If anyone is being visited by ACO’s etc, my best advice is to listen up.

It sounds from some of the posts, that those of you defending her, keep animals in similar situations. Keeping horses in the south without shelter but trees is much more acceptable than keeping horses in northern maine like that in winter.
Their feed requirements to keep warm increase dramatically.

Again, this is one of those depends on the horse and the situation and why treating them individually is best practice. I also don’t see experts such as Cherry Hill advocating minimum standards. let’s not kid ourselves…we all do it differently, but at the least, lets make sure our horses are safe, kept in condition and provide them with the means to do that.

shelter, quality hay and water that is not frozen is basic. Additionally, the law requires according to Lisa Cook who looked up maine law, a 3 sided shelter from Nov- April. I know that is NH law. If PP did not have that, then she is breaking the law. Period.

No one has addressed mud. Some of you might remember, NH state vet went after Turtle Rock Rescue and Mary and Ken Terry for keeping horses in their care in mud with no place to escape it. They closed their rescue instead of letting the state vet close them. But, the state vet said horses standing in mud 24/7 is neglect. And ya know, he is right.

I don’t know about most of you, but I try and live by best standards, not the lowest standard of care I can get away with. And if I did, I won’t be coming on a bulletin board bragging about it as some posters have done.
Each time I see the videos, I get madder. Last time I watched, one of the grey horse’s was being walked with mud above his ankles. Now come on, please tell me how that is good for a horse?

I am going to reserve judgement at this time at this time and hope that this is all a misunderstanding.

But the one trivial thing that has been nagging me is “the generator” comment. How do you run the internet and a computer for a sustained period of time on a generator ? We do know that PP does use both of these. That evidence is in fact. And if you do, wouldn’t it be cheaper to be on “the grid” ? Gas is expensive these days.

I re-read the poorly written article and “they” say that a generator is used. Who is “they” ? The neighbors ? I highly doubt it was law enforcement that was the source of this tidbit of info. Do we know that is true ?

Just some random thoughts I wanted to express. :slight_smile:

From Fivehorses:
Each time I see the videos, I get madder. Last time I watched, one of the grey horse’s was being walked with mud above his ankles. Now come on, please tell me how that is good for a horse?


It’s not. I used to live in ME and now I live in FL and my horses have shelters all year round. they can go in and out as they please but they are there if they want to get out of the weather or the muck (and we only have a FRACTION of ME’s muck).

I don’t think any of those mares are breeding quality IMO. I think she will be able to get her horses and cats back but hopefully she will downsize the horse numbers and upgrade the facilities. In my world that would have come before WEG.