Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

That is incredibly generous of you and in the true spirit of what COTH is supposed to be…a community of on line horse folks that SUPPORT each other. I am trying to contact PP via email and if I can get a hold of her, I’ll be sure she knows of your kind offer.

I just want to point out something that many of you may have forgotten. PP went back to a very messy situation and she may well be in some sort of legal entanglements or unable to reply to us now. Hopefully we’ll hear more in a few days when the dust settles but remember she just got home today.

I’m confused.

If these horses have been without food and water for almost two weeks, they should look a lot worse than they do, shouldn’t they? They looked to me from the video to be in good condition. Not skinny or dehydrated. Not weak and barely able to move. You’d think they would be almost dead from two weeks with no food or water. It could be that the farm sitter has been coming out at hours when the neighbors couldn’t see.

I often feed my horses at night, sometimes as late as eleven pm.

Of course, I also feed in the morning, sometimes as early as dawn.

You crack me up! :lol:

But I suppose you are right. A lot of ‘Off with her head’ has been uttered here. :no:

It’s great that you guys are offering to help, but when I read these posts, and there are a lot of them,
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5087945#post5087945
it just makes my blood boil…

If things are that bad, stop the breeding!!!:mad: :no:

[QUOTE=chaltagor;5148322]
You insinuated that because you have had horses get out then it will happen no matter what you do. So why even bother with good fencing is the natural response.[/QUOTE]

Nooo and no, I completely disagree with your statement and assumption. Not what I said whatsoever chaltagor.

Honestly, it did not look like she had a foal peaking out of every button hole.

No, but there are a lot of breeding posts from PP. Do a search. Or possibly a stretch of the truth on her part?

So she lived in lala land in that perspective. We are talking actual horses on the ground in this realm of reality.

her dream foals that never materialized are not admissible in court

[QUOTE=Huntertwo;5148407]
No, but there are a lot of breeding posts from PP. Do a search. Or possibly a stretch of the truth on her part?[/QUOTE]

Or maybe dreaming… I do lots of dreaming, and have posted several threads about crosses that I haven’t actually gone through with… I suppose if you searched my posts you could assume that I have three or four times the number of foals I’ve actually produced… perhaps it’s the same for pp.

This thread is akin to a hamster eating it’s babies. Nothing like following COTHERS as the eat one of their own. :eek:

Bah! I agree. I give up. I do not even know pp (honestly I haven’t even read her posts, though I did recognise the name pp) yet here I am trying to point out the uselessness and ridiculousness of posts such as Huntertwo’s. What’s pp’s alleged breeding got to do with the current situation? Why is she being burned at the stake without pause for question?

Seems to be your lot in life to defend people with PP as initials…why fight it! :lol:

[QUOTE=Arcadien;5148357]

To hoping that even after any legal ramifications of her posting here are nullified, she doesn’t bother.

Because NONE OF YOU DESERVE IT.

ONE OF THEM[/QUOTE]

ahem. raising one finger for attention.

Dear Arcadien. I was one of the ones waiting to hear what has happened.

I have jumped on no bandwagons and have not posted except for once when I supported waiting to hear, when I said we don’t know what happened.

I still support that position.

I hope that PP has this handled. I hope that if she does not, she finds someone (or plural if necessary) to help her and I hope she gets her horses back.

Perhaps the seizure was legit, and perhaps it was not.

we.don’t.know.

so please…don’t lump me with all the other head hunters.

Listen, I don’t think most dissenters here are calling PP a “witch” or screaming “burn, burn, burn!”. I think we’re giving credit to both sides of the story.

PP’s side: She’s been struggling financially for a significant amount of time. She is a knowledgeable horse person with years of practical experience under her belt. She breeds her mares to her stallions every year in hopes of producing foals each spring, and that hasn’t materialized for the past few seasons. She has a giant heart that has put her into the good graces of many people on this board. Her horses do not appear to be in terrible condition.

She was given the opportunity to go to the WEG for 14 days in July of 2010. She accepted the offer and decided to go. She hired a pet sitter to check them once a day and left.

AC’s side: PP has 2 prior citations with their organization. One for loose dogs, and one for animal cruelty*. They have been working with her for the past year, in some capacity. The neighbors call AC a lot about the property. The fencing is deplorable. The horses get loose a lot. There is no shelter, and the shelter that has been erected in the past has been inadequate (collapsed under the weight of snow, flooded [see PP’s own thread on this issue], or otherwise).

There is no electricity to the property, which they know, because this is a matter of public record. You simply call the gas and electric company and ask if there’s power at her address. Not hard. The neighbors have called and say she is gone. She hasn’t been there for days. The horses don’t have access to food or water. You go out to investigate and confirm that this is the case. You see the fencing has not been addressed, that there is still dangerous debris in the are where the horses are kept. No one seems to know where PP is, and you deem the animals to be in a high-risk situation.

*In my part of the US, animal cruelty is one of many charges that can be brought against you by animal welfare authorities. Animal cruelty is defined in a way that it is NOT simply “loose horses” or “lack of appropriate shelter”. Animal cruelty is one of those citations that implies severe neglect to the well-being of your animals, and includes feed, water, vet care, farrier care, etc. I am not sure how it works in ME, but here, animal cruelty is a very serious charge.

Here’s what I know:

PP is a breeder. She actively attempts to breed those horses every year, most of which I don’t thin are breeding material. That aside, she could have triple registered and approved WB superstars that were perfectly matched, and that farm is not in any state for TWO stallions to be kept in very close proximity to mares.

I have, what appears to be, a much higher standard for what is an “acceptable” standard of horse care. At bare minimum, the fencing should be such that the horses do not escape regularly.

PP also really loves her horses. But love is not enough at the end of the day. It takes money, time, and physical capability to maintain a farm to appropriate standards. That farm has not been maintained to ANY standards from the looks of things. It doesn’t make PP a bad person. It means that while she’s free of the burden of horse care, she needs to CLEAN IT UP, fix the fencing, and erect shelter for the upcoming winter months. I have a feeling PP is going to get horses back on her place in the very near future. I also have a feeling that I am never going to share the same standards of horse care with her.

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4953412#post4953412

It doesn’t matter if the foals materialized or not. The fact is, if she is in dire straits, she should not be even trying to breed. Period.

I still want to know why those horses aren’t in worse condition if they have been without food and water for two weeks.

Anyone care to respond?

[QUOTE=vineyridge;5148480]
I still want to know why those horses aren’t in worse condition if they have been without food and water for two weeks.

Anyone care to respond?[/QUOTE]

I’m guessing they weren’t without food and water for the entire two weeks.

P.E.R.I.O.D.

WHAT is wrong with you?
You don’t even know if she really bred!

There is absolutely NO indication there is a foal involved!
maybe she did get carried away in her breeding dreams. But I have not seen badly cared for horses nor a FOAL in the news clips.

You do not now how dire her straights were. Yet, as so many times before, you see it fit to judge!
Heaven help you that you are never in that situation.

Oh please, PP talked about breeding a lot. In fact, initially I had a hard time with the idea she was breeding at all…only because I think there are enough surplus horses on this planet, and only people who are serious and know what they are doing should be breeding.
OK…shoot me now.

SHe didn’t have any foals…who knows the reason why, but she definitely made attempts at it according to her posts.

But, then maybe her posts were made up and she was just dreaming…so what are we to believe…her posts or the facade or the year long investigation and prior convictions?

[QUOTE=vineyridge;5148480]
I still want to know why those horses aren’t in worse condition if they have been without food and water for two weeks.

Anyone care to respond?[/QUOTE]

I cant answer because frankly, i have the same question… But i’ll add to this…

If they have been starving for even a week without food or water AND are escape artists which isnt hard to do with PP’s fencing issues, why the heck were they still there and not in the front lawn or eating along down the road… If i’m 1hr late to feed my crew the whole place about falls apart from the screaming, head slinging, stomping, fence pushing, biting and kicking that my drama queens think must happen to summon a human to feed their fat selves their little handful of pellets…

2 weeks of no food and water and i dont think we would be rearing and throwing a temper tantrum about loading on a trailer, they would be dragging the emaciated creatures in with a tractor.

I’ve had a horse suck up and not eat or drink on a trailer ride for 24hrs with a hauler who had to stop at a vet and the thing was near death with bones showing… 24hrs! Yet these have survived for 2 weeks on mud? Man, talk about your easy keeper.

Yes, sounds fishy to me…